This Crazy Clueless Cunt...

[OEMEnemyNum1]

I think private industry does a much better job in taking care of almost anything. When government gets involved you have people who have no business doing certain tasks. If I grew up wanting to be a doctor and be able to grow and possibly become rich and wealthy with my own business spirit I would definitely do that. Once it becomes socialized, I would put being a doctor on the same level as a police officer or postal worker. When that day hits, you'll see the underachievers becoming doctors. The people that should be doctors will go onto something that they can make money in.

But it wont be too long before everything becomes socialized. I'm seeing all banks on the horizon before too long.

All I'm saying is if I was passionate about something and knew that I could do it better on my own as a private company, I'd be pretty pissed if the govt thought it could do it better.

[SarahG]

But it wont be too long before everything becomes socialized. I'm seeing all banks on the horizon before too long.

IDK I am not really sure.

We certainly seem to have no problem, as a country, privatizing what used to be socialized industries so that big businesses can rape everyday Americans.

Some services just do not work well under capitalist models. Roadway infrastructure, for example, is a constant cost that never really goes away. Looking at roadway infrastructure from a profit point of view, is utterly stupid- we simply need roads. Maintaining and updating the roadway infrastructure is an essential service that has to go on in order for our country to function well.

We could privatize our roads- but in order for that to work under capitalist models, companies would have to charge absurd amounts in order to make the business seem worth while. Ever see what the tolls are like on the privately owned & run road systems in countries like Japan? I really don't see how $40 tolls in a country as big as the United States could lead to anything that aids our country's day to day operations... especially when privatization of every field thus far (i.e. the grid) has left us with big companies who are only willing on raising costs without actually spending the money needed for infrastructure updates.


Some things just make more sense to be government run. Would we really want a country where the police or military or first responders are privatized? Probably not, right?

In fact the word company itself was originally a military term long before it was a business term. The story there is that in times of peace, military companies full of unemployed veterans would be unable to find work, and so they would wander around the countryside in Europe as a company, pillaging and extorting villages to sustain themselves.

There's no question that certain services are necessary and proper, the question is how many services would fall under that category. In the world before cars even the founding fathers realized this in talking about "post roads."

[rockabilly]

Hmmm make the flying car and we dont need roads.

[Mugai_hentaisha]

I am not going to argue on whether or not I like Palin, either you do or don't same with Obama.

My question is with a bank account that is:
-11,667,724,067,036.03
How can we afford any new programs especially 1 that goes into the 100's of billions and this the Government's estimate...same as the Government's estimate that the cash for clunkers would only need 1billion dollars....? we need to STOP the SPENDING.

I want everybody to be as healthy as the next person, who wouldn't? but I am not responsible for others decisions nor should I have to pay for them. Did they ask my permission when they went skiing and hit a tree? abuse drugs? get pregnant? and the list goes on and on. The better question is....did they ask you? i do Judo, shoot weapons, hike, work on a farm, and the list goes on and on. If and when I get hurt I pay for it myself through my insurance when I have it out of my pocket when I don't.
I am not saying that having national health care will lead to a socialist state. I am saying if you are going to drain MY Coffers to pay for this then I want say in what you do and don't do! Same goes to you with regards to me. Do we really want to go there?
You may not like what I just typed, well read my motto and take it to heart.

[Beagle]

well, look. if you have any concerns or problems, or if you just suspect your neighbor is against Obamacare, just do the right thing and report them to...

flag@whitehouse.gov

there. don't you feel better knowing that big brutha obama is collecting such information.

of course, if bush did this the press and the left masses would be apoplectic.

drink the kool aid....drink the kool aid...

[SarahG]

I want everybody to be as healthy as the next person, who wouldn't? but I am not responsible for others decisions nor should I have to pay for them. Did they ask my permission when they went skiing and hit a tree? abuse drugs? get pregnant? and the list goes on and on.

Why can't we (as a country) ever have a dialog about topics like this without someone taking the "its those damn self destructive parasites in society" high road?

It would be quite erroneous to imply that everyone who needs health care needs it because of self destructive behavior.

If and when I get hurt I pay for it myself through my insurance when I have it out of my pocket when I don't.

Really? So what about all the other people who pay into your health care plan?

Even if you're on private cobra, and not getting insurance through an employer, thousands of other people are paying into the same plan. Every action that taxes that plan (like a sports injury) effectively costs everyone paying into the plan.

When you do get injured, do you really check to see if the hospital you go to receives tax dollars in their funding? Every avoidable hospital visit costs the tax payers of your community.

If you get in a bad car wreck or sports injury and an ambulance is called, do taxes pay for the ambulance, medics, and the roads used to reach you?

The reason why people pay into all these plans, via tax dollars and private agencies like health insurance plans, is so that they will be protected whenever they hurt themselves doing something stupid. Its not just about yourself..

[Beagle]

mugai,

we have the wrong administration in office if we wanted to curtail spending. bush (and the congress) spent like drunken sailors. well obama and his un-checked congress are spending like drunken navies.

we're never going to be able to pay back what he is spending. not in our lifetimes anyway. and he's only been in office 6 months!!! he wants to spend MORE.

and for everyone who hated bush and the government...

CAN you name ANYTHING the government does that is effective, effiecient and good?

so, let's say you love obama, well he's not going to be president forever, and who's to say what some future president will do.

No, I don't want the government running anything, with exception of the military. roads and bridges? leave it to the states to competitively bid these services.

Mail? shit, sell the us post office and let private companies run it. at least there would be competition.

I am not going to argue on whether or not I like Palin, either you do or don't same with Obama.

My question is with a bank account that is:
-11,667,724,067,036.03
How can we afford any new programs especially 1 that goes into the 100's of billions and this the Government's estimate...same as the Government's estimate that the cash for clunkers would only need 1billion dollars....? we need to STOP the SPENDING.

I want everybody to be as healthy as the next person, who wouldn't? but I am not responsible for others decisions nor should I have to pay for them. Did they ask my permission when they went skiing and hit a tree? abuse drugs? get pregnant? and the list goes on and on. The better question is....did they ask you? i do Judo, shoot weapons, hike, work on a farm, and the list goes on and on. If and when I get hurt I pay for it myself through my insurance when I have it out of my pocket when I don't.
I am not saying that having national health care will lead to a socialist state. I am saying if you are going to drain MY Coffers to pay for this then I want say in what you do and don't do! Same goes to you with regards to me. Do we really want to go there?
You may not like what I just typed, well read my motto and take it to heart.

[muhmuh]

If I grew up wanting to be a doctor and be able to grow and possibly become rich and wealthy with my own business spirit I would definitely do that. Once it becomes socialized, I would put being a doctor on the same level as a police officer or postal worker. When that day hits, you'll see the underachievers becoming doctors. The people that should be doctors will go onto something that they can make money in.

errr... what? what kind of world have you been living in cause the one ive been living in you can tell a good doctor from one whos in it for the money quite easily (and thats comming from somebody living in a country with public health care)
simply put the more powerful (and 4wd... people who are into money and posing usually cant drive very well) his porsche is the worse the doc will be at treating people

[Beagle]

Really? So what about all the other people who pay into your health care plan?

well, sharing the risk across large numbers is the basis of insurance. that's how insurance works.

are there problems, sure. there could probably be laws and guidelines that would be good.

but to trash the whole private insurance market in favor of a gov't run circle jerk is an overreaction. and make no mistake, obama is lying when he says we still will have the option to choose our private insurance and doctors.

most employers, will just offer the gov't plan in order to save money. private insurance companies will NOT be able to compete and will go out of business.

obama WANTS single payer and so do most other leading DEMS want single payer and this initial step is their way to start to achieve that end goal.

all this for 50,000 so called un-insured?!!! Hell many of these 50K are illegal aliens.

Another good percentage are people who have the money but just don't want to spend it on health care. I'm sure you all know of some 20 year old irresponsible male who simple would rather spend that money on something else other than insurance premiums.

so, let's say that leave 20,000 people legitimately without health care, well, shit, obama should just pay for insurance for these people outright. give them a check and be done with it. 20,000 x $5K a year (100 million) would be a LOT less expensive than this other bullshit.

[SarahG]

most employers, will just offer the gov't plan in order to save money. private insurance companies will NOT be able to compete and will go out of business.

Actually they won't have a choice, after 5 years all erisa plans will have to be dumped in favor of the exchange.

Meaning, at the most your company's plan will only exist for another 5 years...