do you just like hitting the duke chutes, part #2

[BellaBellucci]

You're not gay but you do have sex the way gays have sex. Just sayin'. Sodomy is sodomy and you've already admitted to both topping and bottoming. By your own definition that makes you a gay man.

You should read your own words again.

~BB~

Wow. I'm confused. This was a moral issue for you?

Sodomy laws are based on antiquated sexual morality mostly found in Jewish, Christian, and Islamic beliefs as well as many other cultures. "Sodomy" has generally been replaced with "deviant sexual intercourse". But those laws are usually found to be unconstitutional, or they get replaced with a different type of legislation. But most places that retain "sodomy laws" do so as a deterrent against homosexually ie. non-procreative sex.

But I can't follow you beyond that point. You're trying to define homosexuality as anything other basic hetero sex? What happens when a woman fucks a a man in the ass with a strap on. That's gay as well? Is she gay, or just him? Is a female getting it in the culo being gay?

I think what she was 'trying' to establish is to make me somehow appear a gay ts. So she in turn used sodomy as grounds to which she also admitted to having done (topping and bottoming) with clients. Therefore, her argument is weak at this point because as we all know, everyone on here (except a few) have engaged in the act!

So she failed in trying to established her hidden agenda because unfortunately, it also does apply to her! Talk about being hypocritical!

It's really pathetic, all these coming from someone who claimed to be STR8 and then all of the sudden after being married to a woman, fathering a kid.. turned into a latent tranny and prostitute at that! But giving us lessons in morality and sodomy. SMH

~Kisses.

HTG

You keep using that expression 'latent trany.' WTF does that even mean? And so what if I fathered a child? You REALLY think I'm the only tranny who has a kid? You must be REALLY sheltered and yet that doesn't stop you from attacking people on subjects about which you have NO knowledge.

Stubborn.

Insolent.

Child.

~BB~

[timebomb]

I have to agree with Hara's original post - that men want the cock or to hit up T-girls anally. Hitting chicks in the ass is becoming a more popular and socially acceptable thing these days, so I don't really see why its such an outrageous position to believe that is the situation with T-girls.

I cannot understand how anyone could have contention with what Hara is saying. Although there may be "some" in the world that don't fall into the 2 categories Hara originally stated, it could be said that MOST fall into it. So to argue for 18 pages that Hara is wrong seems really pointless.

Just my 2 cents.

[BellaBellucci]

I have to agree with Hara's original post - that men want the cock or to hit up T-girls anally. Hitting chicks in the ass is becoming a more popular and socially acceptable thing these days, so I don't really see why its such an outrageous position to believe that is the situation with T-girls.

I cannot understand how anyone could have contention with what Hara is saying. Although there may be "some" in the world that don't fall into the 2 categories Hara originally stated, it could be said that MOST fall into it. So to argue for 18 pages that Hara is wrong seems really pointless.

Just my 2 cents.

OMG. It's not about 'acceptance' or anyone being 'wrong.' I'm not even arguing about whether or not most men like anal sex. What I'm saying is I don't think it's right for men to ASSUME that every TS likes it just because they don't have a vagina and/or because most born women won't fuck them that way.

Those who were previously gay will likely bottom, but we weren't all gay before transition (that doesn't make us men as Hara suggests in her self-proclaimed superiority) and I think that assumption is prejudicial and wrong. Why is that so hard for people to understand? Just as anal sex is not 'wrong,' neither is disliking it - even if you're TS. There's no rule that says otherwise.

The 18 pages is because Hara just can't stand anyone who has a differing opinion about anything.

~BB~

[timebomb]

BB - I don't think your opinion was simply "not all t-girls like it in their butt". That is a perfectly logical assumption, because not everyone will like a certain thing.

But you seemed to get really offended that anyone would not consider that some girls don't bottom. I don't see why you got so offended by that because its seems like MOST t-girls bottom at some point or another.

Just some perspective, if someone called me out on something I know is true MOST of the time, and told me I was ignorant, stupid, and insensitive to other views I wouldn't take it so well either.

IF you look at Hara's original post, she stated those where the TOP 2 reasons, she never said they were the only reasons. You could have simply stated not all T-girls like it in there butt, and everyone would have recognized that for the most part that has to be true. But rather it seems you want to "win" the conversation when Hara never was trying to create a debatable issue.

[BellaBellucci]

BB - I don't think your opinion was simply "not all t-girls like it in their butt". That is a perfectly logical assumption, because not everyone will like a certain thing.

But you seemed to get really offended that anyone would not consider that some girls don't bottom. I don't see why you got so offended by that because its seems like MOST t-girls bottom at some point or another.

Just some perspective, if someone called me out on something I know is true MOST of the time, and told me I was ignorant, stupid, and insensitive to other views I wouldn't take it so well either.

IF you look at Hara's original post, she stated those where the TOP 2 reasons, she never said they were the only reasons. You could have simply stated not all T-girls like it in there butt, and everyone would have recognized that for the most part that has to be true. But rather it seems you want to "win" the conversation when Hara never was trying to create a debatable issue.

First of all, I didn't call her names until she started it. It's not my style. As you can see I am perfectly capable of articulating my opinion without insults. If I insult someone it's not because I can't find the right words to say something, it's because my words aren't even getting through enough for the other party to give them even cursory consideration.

The same goes for your allegation that I want to 'win' a debate. Trust me, that wasn't the plan originally. The problem is that Hara seems to be intolerant of those who don't like to bottom so much when she calls us men and 'latent transitioners.' Again, it's true that most TS have bottomed, but she's clearly prejudiced against those who don't like it. Do you really not see that?

Oh, and things that are true most of the time? Black people like watermelon and voted for Barack Obama. Italians like Parmesan cheese and are Catholic. Americans are arrogant and elected Bush twice. Saying those things is racist, but operating under that assumption that there are so few trannies who don't like to bottom that they aren't worth mentioning isn't rooted in prejudice? If she's going to sit here and be an 'expert' on something, she ought to represent all angles and not pass judgment on those who are different - something she should have learned through all of her years of people passing judgement on her simply for being trans in the first place.

Nice try. Hypocrisy FAIL.

~BB~

[timebomb]

I don't see how acknowledging the main reasons why men are into t-girls is prejudicial in any way. So by me making a statement that most Italians are Catholic, I have some how become intolerant? I don't see the racist connection to your argument. Most people I know eat meat, most people I know celebrate christmas. It's just a statement that acknowledges the majority opinion.

[BellaBellucci]

I don't see how acknowledging the main reasons why men are into t-girls is prejudicial in any way. So by me making a statement that most Italians are Catholic, I have some how become intolerant? I don't see the racist connection to your argument. Most people I know eat meat, most people I know celebrate christmas. It's just a statement that acknowledges the majority opinion.

She doesn't say 'most.' *I* am the one that uses flexible terminology. She likes to be unequivocal. She's pretty much said that ALL trannies should like to bottom or they're not women. She even cited a cultural angle. Then she tried to deny it. Then she tried to play it down as just 'an example.' You get the idea.

Methinks you need to read the thread before you try to force me to spell it out for you again. I've made my point clear a few times already. Stop being so lazy and go read it.

~BB~

[timebomb]

Men who are into trannies are only into trannies for 2 main reasons:

1. The cock factor - so they still can say/think they're straight not gay cos they only sucked a cock from a feminine looking trannies adding men of course doesn't do it for them (to convinced themselves they aren't fags in denials).

2. The ass fucking taboo - Let's face it, not a lot of women would let a guy fuck them in the ass. With trannies, ass fucking is a given due to lack of vagina!

Aren't these two the most popular reasons we all tend to hear?

HTG

I read most of the posts. But I was responding to you based on what you had typed to me. It looks to me that she originally said "most".

[Nicole Dupre]

OMG. It's not about 'acceptance' or anyone being 'wrong.' I'm not even arguing about whether or not most men like anal sex. What I'm saying is I don't think it's right for men to ASSUME that every TS likes it just because they don't have a vagina and/or because most born women won't fuck them that way.

Those who were previously gay will likely bottom, but we weren't all gay before transition (that doesn't make us men as Hara suggests in her self-proclaimed superiority) and I think that assumption is prejudicial and wrong. Why is that so hard for people to understand? Just as anal sex is not 'wrong,' neither is disliking it - even if you're TS. There's no rule that says otherwise.

The 18 pages is because Hara just can't stand anyone who has a differing opinion about anything.

~BB~

Personally, I think saying that any TS was "gay before they transitioned" is a slippery slope. If you waited until you were a F/T TS to be with men; in a world that has sodomy laws, you as pre-op will be "officially" gay now also, even if it was all for porn.

Btw there is nothing I would do in porn that I wouldn't do IRL under the right circumstances. Because porn is still PART OF your RL. I would never have sex with someone unless I was going to enjoy it, LTRs aside.

Anyway, two consenting adults having sex, as captured on digital media, is always going to stand as a testament to what you were comfortable with. If your shoots were making your skin crawl, sooner or later it would show anyway. So I think on some level, you have to include yourself as a willing participant in what some people still refer to as "sodomy".

[sucka4chix]

Wow, almost 20 pages of useless bullshit. Just think what problems could've been solved with all that wasted energy--- hell y'all coulda invented a 100 mpg car by now!
If you don't like a particular act, say so and keep it moving. But don't speak for entire groups of people that your own sampling is a very minute part of. When you say most GGs do like this or don't like that-- did you do some kind of study?
The facts are that dicks like to be stimulated. Dicks don't care how they are stimulated. Dicks can't differentiate between ass and pussy. If left to it's own devices, a dick will enter every available orifice. It is your brain that keeps it out of asses.
The fact also is that GGs and TSes and fags and straight men like anal stimulation. That doesn't mean all do. All people don't do anything. Most people who don't like anal sex have never really tried anal sex because it is initially very painful. But the anus doesn't hurt, the sphincter hurts. That goes away. Females like the vibration, guys get prostate stimulation. A guy or TS will never cum harder than he does from anal stimulation. That is a fact.
Now going back to page 1, of course guys like the "duke chute" because they like to fuck, and that's the available orifice a pre-op is outfitted with. I myself have always had an anal fetish, sticking my finger in it while I fucked pussy (btw, the majority of GGs I dated asked to be fucked in the ass, and I know girls who fucked in their asses for years to preserve their virginity).
You can't say anal sex is overrated if you can't first state how it is rated, and I don't recall ANYONE ever saying that. Just say it's not for you.