Transsexual on hunger strike

[SarahG]

Well put Mac - I disagree with you on a lot but this was spot on.
However, given tubgirls history I don't think the "why" was why did she need help but "why we'd pay any money" in the USA, they'd have to pay for everything themselves.

Which isn't a totally bad thing, the one advantage to private health care is you don't have to put up with the crap that passes as trans health care in some parts of the UK (or Canada's NHS for that matter). A year to get that initial appointment, followed by anywhere up to 6 years to actually GET on hrt (depending on where you are), that's a complete disaster for anyone who isn't already middle aged.

I can't speak to the UK but it seems trans health care is the first thing that gets cut when money gets tight in Canadian NHS. They flatly tell patients, as they do in some parts of the UK "unless you're going to kill yourself for not having srs, we don't have the budget to pay for it."

Plus, under the American system, you'd have more of your income to spend on private trans health care, because you're not being taxed to pay for a NHS that refuses to properly treat you.

The downside (big downside) that almost no one mentions is that if you can't come up with the money, well, then you're fucked. But, that can also be said for the people who go private in the UK or Canada.

The two systems are about equal in terms of accountability, or at least that's been my impression. In the US if you can't afford to travel, or don't have transportation to do so, you're options just suck when it comes to finding someone who actually knows what they're doing (or at the least, isn't an asshat). Which is true in Canadian NHS, the unlucky people who can't get the fuck out of Toronto have no choice BUT to get their treatment from Blanchard at the Clarke Institute, that clinic's abusive practices are essentially government sponsored threw the way Canadian NHS works. I am overjoyed that we've largely abandoned the clinic system, nothing good can come from it.

The US has had its horror stories with EMT's leaving tgirls in auto accidents to bleed to death simply because they were trans, but on that same coin Canada had a few incidents in Quebec where trans patients were kicked onto the sidewalks from the ER's because the hospital staff didn't want to treat a trans person (nothing, that I ever heard of, came of the incident). To be fair I am not sure Quebec would be a good way to look at Canadian NHS as a whole, given the separatism.

[MacShreach]

Well put Mac - I disagree with you on a lot but this was spot on.
However, given tubgirls history I don't think the "why" was why did she need help but "why we'd pay any money" in the USA, they'd have to pay for everything themselves.

Which isn't a totally bad thing, the one advantage to private health care is you don't have to put up with the crap that passes as trans health care in some parts of the UK (or Canada's NHS for that matter). A year to get that initial appointment, followed by anywhere up to 6 years to actually GET on hrt (depending on where you are), that's a complete disaster for anyone who isn't already middle aged.

I can't speak to the UK but it seems trans health care is the first thing that gets cut when money gets tight in Canadian NHS. They flatly tell patients, as they do in some parts of the UK "unless you're going to kill yourself for not having srs, we don't have the budget to pay for it."

Plus, under the American system, you'd have more of your income to spend on private trans health care, because you're not being taxed to pay for a NHS that refuses to properly treat you.

The downside (big downside) that almost no one mentions is that if you can't come up with the money, well, then you're fucked. But, that can also be said for the people who go private in the UK or Canada.

The two systems are about equal in terms of accountability, or at least that's been my impression. In the US if you can't afford to travel, or don't have transportation to do so, you're options just suck when it comes to finding someone who actually knows what they're doing (or at the least, isn't an asshat). Which is true in Canadian NHS, the unlucky people who can't get the fuck out of Toronto have no choice BUT to get their treatment from Blanchard at the Clarke Institute, that clinic's abusive practices are essentially government sponsored threw the way Canadian NHS works. I am overjoyed that we've largely abandoned the clinic system, nothing good can come from it.

The US has had its horror stories with EMT's leaving tgirls in auto accidents to bleed to death simply because they were trans, but on that same coin Canada had a few incidents in Quebec where trans patients were kicked onto the sidewalks from the ER's because the hospital staff didn't want to treat a trans person (nothing, that I ever heard of, came of the incident). To be fair I am not sure Quebec would be a good way to look at Canadian NHS as a whole, given the separatism.

I have a very ambivalent attitude towards NHS care as provided in the UK....I think I have probably seen both the best and the worst of it, in terms of my immediate family and those close to me. Some things it does very well indeed and some.....oh dearie, dearie me. It is definitely excessively bureaucratic, inflexible, irritating to the nth degree, imposes ludicrous burdens on the families of those receiving treatment..How about receiving a call at ten o'clock at night from the hospital where a relative is receiving treatment.

"Hello? Your relative can go home now."

"You mean in the morning?"

"No, I mean now."

"How do you plan to get her home?"

"You'll have to come and get her. Tonight."

"You realise it is after ten, I live nearly forty miles away and I have been working all day?"

"We can't help that. The bed is has been scheduled for someone else in the morning."

"Well, put her in an ambulance and I'll get her house open."

"Can't do that."

"Why not."

"The non-urgent ambulance service goes off at nine. It's too late."

"*&%*&%*%*)^%"*)%*"£%*")%*)P&_(^%!!!!!!!!!!!"

You couldn't make it up.


...but if you get diagnosed with cancer, well, it does not fuck about. And the same is true of many other diseases.

[tubgirl]

the "why?" was for: why does she feel that she has a reason of entitlement for other people's money...

[SarahG]

the "why?" was for: why does she feel that she has a reason of entitlement for other people's money...

Why does everyone else feel they're entitled to tax her to pay for THEIR health care, when that same program won't properly care for her?

[hippifried]

Aren't you supposed to fast before surgery anyway?

[SarahG]

Aren't you supposed to fast before surgery anyway?

Only if you're overweight.

Some surgeries require you not eat or drink after midnight, the night before- but IIRC that's because of concerns dealing with the anesthesia more than anything else.

Some will say that you need to stop HRT for so many days before, but I've had trouble finding a real medical reason to justify this requirement. It seems most surgeons tell patients to go off estrogen & spiro a week or two before a surgery, because so many other surgeons do.

In any case, my impression from the article is that she's using the hunger strike in asking for HRT, not in asking for srs.

[MacShreach]

the "why?" was for: why does she feel that she has a reason of entitlement for other people's money...

As I said, the world is not a fuzzy line around the US border...She doesn't feel she has an entitlement to other people's money, she feels rightly outraged that a system she has been paying huge amounts into all her working life is refusing to deliver the care she needs....and has paid for.

Geography. It's not an abstract concept.

[SarahG]

Geography. It's not an abstract concept.

Once again, I blame the public schooling system.

[hippifried]

Aren't you supposed to fast before surgery anyway?

Only if you're overweight.

Some surgeries require you not eat or drink after midnight, the night before- but IIRC that's because of concerns dealing with the anesthesia more than anything else.

Some will say that you need to stop HRT for so many days before, but I've had trouble finding a real medical reason to justify this requirement. It seems most surgeons tell patients to go off estrogen & spiro a week or two before a surgery, because so many other surgeons do.

In any case, my impression from the article is that she's using the hunger strike in asking for HRT, not in asking for srs.

oh. Well I was just being facetious, but I imagine starving oneself to death would cure obesity problems too. Sorry, but it all just seems a tad melodramatic. If this is serious at all, I imagine the health plan would pay for the psychiatric care.


As for geography:
It's easy. There's America, & all those foreign places.

[Danielle Foxx]

I think all trannies should go on a porn strike