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05-05-2009 #11Of course the "Pulsating Universe" theory just puts the question back in time.....what prompted the first pulse?
i love the idea that there is no "first", no beginning. maybe this pre-concieved notion, that we as humans have, that everything has to have a start, duration and end doesn't apply when it comes to the universe (or indeed universes).
this idea, which through discussing with people and noticing the majority think the same, that "timeless" is non-existent is perhaps proof that maybe we're just not supposed to know what happened, that it's beyond our grasp.
on the other side of the coin, you could say that this world of ours is such a teeny, tiny miniscule part of this system that is doesn't matter what happened or what we think as we have no consequence upon it. so lets just have fun and get pissed!
that why i'm with you jaycanuk, i think some booze needs to flow before the words do!
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05-05-2009 #12Originally Posted by MacShreach
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05-06-2009 #13Originally Posted by NYBURBS
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05-07-2009 #15Originally Posted by droog
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05-07-2009 #17
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Originally Posted by ScottyBabe
No human will ever know the answer while alive, therefore it is not a question to be asked, technically.
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05-07-2009 #18
Never say never. Well... Except you never know what you don't know.
Now I'm with Scotty on the time abstract, but the question was: "Before Existence..." The question itself assumes a reality of the time abstract with the word "before", but it's not necessary to include time in the answer.
If nothing exists, there's nothing to perceive. There's nothing for light to reflect off of. There's nothing to generate light. There's no light. There's nothing to look at anyway. It all sounds exceedingly dull. Think I'll just hang around & see if I can't get involved in a big bang.
"You can pick your friends & you can pick your nose, but you can't wipe your friends off on your saddle."
~ Kinky Friedman ~
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05-07-2009 #19
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what did life, as we know it, look like, before anything existed?
"...I no longer believe that people's secrets are defined and communicable, or their feelings full-blown and easy to recognize."_Alice Munro, Chaddeleys and Flemings.
"...the order in creation which you see is that which you have put there, like a string in a maze, so that you shall not lose your way". _Judge Holden, Cormac McCarthy's, BLOOD MERIDIAN.
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05-07-2009 #20
The answer to this is. Suppose you existed in your own little parallel universe and have a great view of the universe before the big bang. What would you see?
Nothing, because there would be no light, and no space-time for the light to travel through to get to you. (Remember the big bag created not just matter and light filling in some void, it created the very space-time we live in itself. It is often thought of as an explosion but it really wasn't.)
Supposing you could get inside the tiny point that the universe banged out of what would you see? Again nothing, because based on the best theories we have the universe was so compact that gravity, E&M (light) and the nuclear forces were all unified into one force. There wasn't even light as we know it. Nothing we know of could live in our universe.
The only thing left is to consider all the different types of parallel universes that could exist, Now about those we can know nothing for sure.