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04-26-2009 #41
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Originally Posted by yosi
Christianity / Judiaism - The 6th commandment.. you shall not murder
Qur'an - And do not take any human being's life - that God willed to be sacred - other than in [the pursuit of] justice.
Well then in that case we're all going to whatever fictional no no land you want to believe in.. because lets face it...if these texts and events were even real, we've been paying lip service for some time now.....but they aren't real...so really we're just savages killing.
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04-26-2009 #42Originally Posted by jaycanuck
Charity work seems disingenuous when helping people isn't the primary objective. To use a historic example, during the potato famine the protestant churches that setup soap kitchens in Ireland demanded the needy say protestant prayers before getting food, the hope was that it would be a tool for converting people away from Catholicism. But in practice it meant people were left with the choice between ether accepting the aid (and being outcast from their towns, losing all family, friend, and business ties), or starving (while maintaining family, friend and business ties). To use a modern example, all those evangelical missionaries in Africa and South America, they're not there to feed the needy- they're there to "distribute the message" (whatever the hell that means), if it helps people in a process its only by accident.
And maybe its easier to withdraw from life
With all of its misery and wretched lies
If we're dead when tomorrow's gone
The Big Machine will just move on
Still we cling afraid we'll fall
Clinging like the memory which haunts us all
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04-27-2009 #43
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Originally Posted by MacShreach
I understand your points about organised religeon...but human nature is to seek answers (intellectually) and to survive (animalistically)...be it the force, karma or god's will...folks will find an excuse to fight over territory and resources to justify animal behavior.
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04-27-2009 #44
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Guys COME ON ..
Religions always the best systematic way to guide
people to do what is best for their own good and the
society around. IF .... They stick with what the
religion letterly says.
And i personelly think that if muslims applied
classic islam in each aspect of thier lives they will,
they will make a perfect example of peaceful
happy simple life.
that's what my further reading about islam reflects.
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04-27-2009 #45Originally Posted by ALLOSHn70
I think there's enough evidence to show that's a bad, bad idea.
Just look at the christian fundamentalists, the islamic fundamentalists, and everyone else who tries to take their holy texts 100% literal.
I guess that means it was a mistake to outlaw human sacrifice, a mistake to end slavery, and a mistake to even consider evolution is possible...
And maybe its easier to withdraw from life
With all of its misery and wretched lies
If we're dead when tomorrow's gone
The Big Machine will just move on
Still we cling afraid we'll fall
Clinging like the memory which haunts us all
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04-27-2009 #46
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If you follow the bible/koran letter for letter the world will be a better place.
If you follow the bible/koran letter for letter the world will be a worse place.
If you pick and choose from the bible/koran you will make the world a better place
If you pick and choose from the bible/koran you will make the world a worse place
If you're poor, cold and alone, the bible/koran is a source of comfort
If you're poor, cold and alone, the bible/koran is a source of vengence
If think for yourself, the bible/koran is naught but superstition, and the world is what you make it.
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04-27-2009 #47
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Every reading of a text is an interpretation, especially texts as vague as religious texts. I seriously doubt there can be anything close to universal agreement as to just what is the unique literal reading of the Koran, the Bible or the Torah. For starters, it’s rarely clear whom the texts are addressing; the book of Leviticus delineates the proscriptions the Lord as placed upon the Levites. A looser interpretation would allow that Leviticus maps out the covenant between God and the Israelites. It’s more than a bit presumptuous to take Leviticus as God’s plan for twent[y] first century Christendom. “You shall not lie with a male as one would with a woman,” is addressed only to males. Evidently there is no prohibition against lesbianism. Moreover, the author is too shy to say what he means literally. He speaks figuratively and forces us into a figurative interpretation. It would seem that literally Leviticus would have us use different positions lying with men then those we use when lying with women.
It seems to me one gets better moral instruction from reading the deliberate ambiguities in Plato’s Republic than from reading any of the pretentious writings in the Judeo/Christian/Islamic tradition that inevitably presume (while denying it) to know every detail of God’s will.
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"...I no longer believe that people's secrets are defined and communicable, or their feelings full-blown and easy to recognize."_Alice Munro, Chaddeleys and Flemings.
"...the order in creation which you see is that which you have put there, like a string in a maze, so that you shall not lose your way". _Judge Holden, Cormac McCarthy's, BLOOD MERIDIAN.
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Originally Posted by trish
And ye shall see it on the eighth day and tremble, Trish/Lilith hath horns!
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04-27-2009 #49
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And the walls of Jericho came tumblin' down,
tumblin' down,
tumblin' dow-ow-ow-owwwn.
Or somethin' like that.
"...I no longer believe that people's secrets are defined and communicable, or their feelings full-blown and easy to recognize."_Alice Munro, Chaddeleys and Flemings.
"...the order in creation which you see is that which you have put there, like a string in a maze, so that you shall not lose your way". _Judge Holden, Cormac McCarthy's, BLOOD MERIDIAN.
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04-27-2009 #50
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What amazes me the most is the propension of certain religious minorities, which, once settled, will use terror to force in their own beliefs on local population. That stands as much for Jewish settlers in Palestine or Islamic minorities in Europe, for example.
Or the US, supposedly a seculiar country...''with god on its side'' even during the president's intronization. As much as I support Obama, I really had to laugh at this. I remember when the US invaded Iraq...the name of that mission then was ''infinite justice". Luckily they changed it...too bad they didn't change the 'rest'.
If you are an agnostic (or simply fair minded), then you might as well not believe in the rather simplistic and manichean ''good'' and ''evil''. Black or white. Good christianity Vs Bad Islam. See below:
Al-Qaida founder blasts successor bin Laden for 'immoral terror'
By Yossi Melman, Haaretz Correspondent
One of Al-Qaida's founders, Sayyid Imam al-Sharif, has waged a harsh verbal attack on the terrorist organization's leaders Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri.
Sharif's criticism of the Al-Qaida ideology and the failures of its leadership have unleashed a heated debate within the global Jihad movement and it has been publicized in several western media outlets.
Sharif, who is serving a life sentence in a Cairo prison, recently wrote, "Every drop of blood that was shed or is being shed in Afghanistan and Iraq is the responsibility of bin Laden and Zawahiri and their followers."
The Al-Qaida figurehead also said called the September 11 terror attacks immoral and counterproductive.
"Ramming America has become the shortest road to fame and leadership among the Arabs and Muslims," wrote Sharif, who also goes by the nom de guerre Dr. Fadl. "But what good is it if you destroy one of your enemy's buildings, and he destroys one of your countries? What good is it if you kill one of his people, and he kills a thousand of yours? That, in short, is my evaluation of 9/11."
Sharif also criticizes Muslims who move to the West only to perpetrate terror attacks in their adopted countries. "If they gave you permission to enter their homes and live with them, and if they gave you security for yourself and your money, and if they gave you the opportunity to work or study, or they granted you political asylum" wrote Sharif, then it is "not honorable" to "betray them, through killing and destruction."
According to Reuven Paz, an expert on Islamist movements, Sharif is considered one of the leading ideologues within the Egyptian group that cultivated Jihad starting in the 1970s.