Islam

[jaycanuck]

Agreed, all religion is the poison of our society. It stifles human progression, holds back free thinking, and is a form of mind control. However, with that said. I've personally never seen such a religion used in such a manipulative way. Islam is truly a infective plague of society.

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My goodness Slip. I have to disagree. Check Catholicism. The Pope has most of the world believing you'll go to a firey pit of misery if you put a piece of rubber on your cock.

[MacShreach]

Agreed, all religion is the poison of our society. It stifles human progression, holds back free thinking, and is a form of mind control. However, with that said. I've personally never seen such a religion used in such a manipulative way. Islam is truly a infective plague of society.

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My goodness Slip. I have to disagree. Check Catholicism. The Pope has most of the world believing you'll go to a firey pit of misery if you put a piece of rubber on your cock.

Well, not quite "most" but the point is very well made-- all of these cults are as bad as each other. We happen to be seeing Islam at a time when it is displaying a very defensive face, at least on the part of some; yet Islam has produced some of the greatest cultures. We would not have mathematics or astronomy but for Islamic culture and if we were to go back only a couple of hundred years we would see Christian cultures burning and torturing "witches." And please note these events were happening after the "reformation" of the Christian churches.

The Abrahamic cults are all equally bad; anyone who identifies as Christian who at the same time condemns Islam, is frankly a laughing-stock. (I don't mean you.)

[Faldur]

Name one islamic country where women have rights? Where gays are not hunted down and either locked up or worse.

Name one Christian country where that can be said.

Islam's belief that women are to be subservient, and sub human is appauling. If the religion continues to grow at the rate it is.. we will no longer need to worry about gay marraige being legal, because we wont have any gays to fight for there rights. We will no longer need to be concerned for equal rights for women in the work force, because there wont be any.

[MacShreach]

Name one islamic country where women have rights? Where gays are not hunted down and either locked up or worse.

Name one Christian country where that can be said.

Islam's belief that women are to be subservient, and sub human is appauling. If the religion continues to grow at the rate it is.. we will no longer need to worry about gay marraige being legal, because we wont have any gays to fight for there rights. We will no longer need to be concerned for equal rights for women in the work force, because there wont be any.

This is not a difference of principle, it's a difference of 100 years or so.

FACT: Women were not allowed to vote in the UK until the 1920's, and even then the age of suffrage was far higher than for men; IDK what the equivalent for the States is, someone can perhaps enlighten

FACT: sodomy was a criminal offence in the UK until 1967, and I believe it still is in some States of the US, though I am not sure. Certainly was till recently.

FACT: Males caught engaging in sodomy were hanged in the UK until the early 19th C.

FACT: Until very recently, in the UK, a woman was legally regarded as part of her husband's chattels when she married, and had to promise "honour and obey" him, while the man had ot promise to "love and protect." Interesting difference, no? I understand that the same wording us still used by some US religious cults.

FACT: Not all Muslims indulge in polygamy--and in any case this is still current amongst certain cults in the US


I do not for one moment dispute that there are some very bad things in Muslim culture-- my point is that these are the very same things the Christian west did, from hanging prostitutes and homosexuals to torturing "witches" to capital punishment for theft, until really very recently, and that this does not mark Muslim culture out as intrinsically uncivilised, but as having progressed more slowly.

Now how do you suppose we are going to help the many, many moderate and progressive thinkers in the Muslim world? By telling them that the cause is hopeless, that their culture is intrinsically evil?

Now if you are arguing that ALL religion should be got rid of, I'm right with you, but Islam is no more or less fundamentally evil than Christian culture; it just suits certain people to make it appear so.

[dabaldone]

Religion in general is a fucked up notion. Period. Muslim, Christianity, Judiasm...right up there with Scientology and Wicca. Religion is bad period. It's an invention by man. It's held back humanity by countless years.

That being said...me thinks your views that all Muslims are "nutjobs" is a little harsh and you should ask yourself how many people Bush killed in the name of our Lord. Too soon? Check the crusades.... The spanish inquisition. Get real my friend.

Anything that man touches he corrupts. Spirtuality and a connection to God is better that following the insane rules of religions that were written two mellinia ago. All those who follow Islam don't beleive in fundamentalist crap.As far as Christian nutjobs, check Tim McVeigh.

[tao1kiku]

In every religion the ones who get the media attention are the extremists. And simply due to himan nature there will always be extremism in anything from religion to even exercise/physical fitness to eating.

Part of the solution is the separattion of Church from State - true separation! Even the USA can't quite do this - look at how many presidents cite God in their speeches.

[jaycanuck]

Name one islamic country where women have rights? Where gays are not hunted down and either locked up or worse.

Name one Christian country where that can be said.

Islam's belief that women are to be subservient, and sub human is appauling. If the religion continues to grow at the rate it is.. we will no longer need to worry about gay marraige being legal, because we wont have any gays to fight for there rights. We will no longer need to be concerned for equal rights for women in the work force, because there wont be any.

This is not a difference of principle, it's a difference of 100 years or so.

FACT: Women were not allowed to vote in the UK until the 1920's, and even then the age of suffrage was far higher than for men; IDK what the equivalent for the States is, someone can perhaps enlighten

FACT: sodomy was a criminal offence in the UK until 1967, and I believe it still is in some States of the US, though I am not sure. Certainly was till recently.

FACT: Males caught engaging in sodomy were hanged in the UK until the early 19th C.

FACT: Until very recently, in the UK, a woman was legally regarded as part of her husband's chattels when she married, and had to promise "honour and obey" him, while the man had ot promise to "love and protect." Interesting difference, no? I understand that the same wording us still used by some US religious cults.

FACT: Not all Muslims indulge in polygamy--and in any case this is still current amongst certain cults in the US

+1 You beat me to the historic points. Good stuff.

[jaycanuck]

In general organized religion is a bad thing. I suggest watching Religulous. Very good film.

[kittyKaiti]

Are they all fucking nuts there.......
or is it just the Musliums or how ever you spell the crazy fucks name.
I don't care what anyone says a religion that preaches that shit is doomed.
Fucking Sick Twisted Fucks...

As much as I hate Islam, and all religion for that matter, this belongs in the Politics & Religion section. It isn't hard to figure that out.

[irvin66]

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