Grooby,Bob's Tgirls,Evil Angel etc must educate on silicone!

[SarahG]

And, to SarahG, should you want to, feel free to PM me, but I think an open discussion in the forums can be useful to.

I don't mind either way, I just don't know what your preferences are, in terms of trying to keep this thread on topic.

[DimitriWolfe]

Do you really think pornographers in poverty stricken countries are really concerned about these girls in anyway other than how it affects their profit margin?

Funny comment coming from a guy posting on a porno message board but I'll entertain you anyway.

You seem to forget that pornography is a business and that business does not involve educating, baby-sitting or taking care of other adults. Our business is producing porn, not chasing down models and explaining to them the dangers of injecting their body with silicone. They wouldn't listen even if we did. Of course if someone asks my advice while they are on my set I will give it, but that always goes in one ear and out the other and that is the case with humans in general, not just porn models.

Responsible producers will have health tests done if the shoot requires it but generally speaking a pornographers responsibilities end there. I'm not sure why you would think otherwise.

They are paying them practically nothing, so keeping them as uneducated as possible is what gives them the upper hand. It is a perfect example of how to move forward by holding someone else back.

Producers who shoot in other countries pay what is the norm in that country. It doesn't matter if you are a ditch digger, a doctor or a porn model, you will be paid by that countries standards, not the standards of the outside world or the world you came from. That is how business works.

Furthermore, when did it become a pornographers job to educate or help advance anyone in any other field of work? We hire them to perform a job and they do. Perhaps we should start searching for models when they are kids and help raise them, educating them and helping them along in life so when they become 18 and can make a porno, we have done our duty as porno-parents.

You are completely out of touch with reality pal and I find it amusing you would say such ignorant things about the porn industry while hanging out on a porn TS message board with your dick in your hand. That's pretty ironic. Though I'd bet you don't have a problem buying clothes, shoes or furniture that has been made in these same countries, where the workers actually are underpaid and exploited, often times they are minors working in sweat shops. I doubt you have any problem with that at all when you are at the mall looking for a new pair of shoes but hey, exploited kids working 18 hours a day for pennies is not as bad as paying an adult a few hundred bucks to masturbate on video, right?

[DimitriWolfe]

As for dissemination of information being a responsibility of webmasters, photographers, DVD producers, etc., I say no it's not because we are not experts. I think the gay and lesbian centers, transgender supports groups and the like are better suited for that.

I made the post above without reading this entire thread. After reading it I found that quote from Bob and wanted to say that what he says, we are not experts, really is the most important thing said here.

Neither Bob, Senchai, Buddy Woods, DJAsia, Wendy Williams, Myself or any other producer are experts in that field. Taking advice from a pornographer on health issues that don't relate to porn is just as dangerous as not taking any advice at all. Sure, we could all tell them not to do it and that it's bad for them, but why can't get into the science of why. We can't honestly answer their questions. Not that they would listen anyway but we would totally be talking out of our asses.

If the subject comes up, I tell a lot of these models (99% of them are prostitutes) that I work with in Thailand how HIV is on the rise again there and to be careful. Each and every one of them say the same broken record thing, "I always use condom." Of course I see them online getting fucked bareback on some message board or newsgroup two months later. People are simply going to do what they want to do and ALWAYS learn the hard way. That's just what we, as a species, do.

[lisaparadise]

Following the news of the death of yet another girl- Kelly Tavares- from injected industrial silicone, I feel something needs to be done.

According to my friend praetor (in another thread), the Brazilian Government has tried to raise awareness and even imposed punishments for the "bombadeiras" (those who inject silicone in the girls' bodies), but with no success.

I think now it is up to those who deal directly with these girls to take action and launch a major campaign to raise awareness. I am talking about the photographers, the other models, the people who run the websites and produced the DVDs- everyone involved in the porn and escorting industry. If the people who have made money by photographing these girls or putting them online can do this, they can give something substantial back to the TS community, especially in Brazil, where this problem is common and deaths occur frequently.

What do you think? I'd especially like to hear the views of Seanchai and others involved in the industry.


See also:
http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=18576
http://www.tsroadmap.com/physical/si...one-death.html
http://www.tsroadmap.com/physical/silicone/ OR
http://theipowa.org/?q=book/export/html/2

AND

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=42079

Kelly Tavares, RIP

First off we who get the silicone is to blame not the pumpers nor the people surrounding us,we all know the risk and rewards and as adults we make the choice period.its the same old arguement its not the guns that kill its the finger on the gun.nothin gets by the sisterhood when it comes to silicone,yes there are other safer methods but its simply our choice,i have silicone in my lips ass and hips infact 2 weeks ago i had my ass done again for the fifth time in 5 years i dont push silicone infact i tell everyone who asks me not to do it and i give them the facts and let them decide.

[lisaparadise]

or fallen down from there hips to there legs and ankles.

The think that the girls with silicone and have issues with it dont talk about it! They dont want anyone to know! Its a very hush hush issue.

I know of other girls that have died or had serious heath issues from silicone its quite sad.

thats so true but i am the acception as ive told everyone i could about the dangers of silicone first hand when i had my forehead cheeks and chin done 3 years ago it all went bad dropped and moved everywhere in my face and had to get 2 facelifts in 3 years to get it all out and it cost me thousands of dollars cause i didnt believe it would happen to me,i spent 2 months waking up to swollan shut eyes with silicone burning and sealing my eyes shut because it moved down into my eyes and blocked my tearducts,it was a nightmare ill never forget.so now i have sicicone in my lips ass and hips,ive had absolutly no problems in those ereas and have had my ass and hips done like 5 times now.my doctor here in toronto would like to have pumping legal and would have no problem doing it cause even she believes medical grade silicone is safe if a trained phycian does it so maybe we should take it to congress and go that route?

[Celeste]

Its not their responsibility too. Girls know what they are getting themselves into... And they will do it regardless!

[DimitriWolfe]

And they will do it regardless!

You can close and lock this thread after that comment of truth.