View Poll Results: Should those profiting from TS porn raise awareness on the dangers of injecting silicone?
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02-03-2009 #41Originally Posted by trannybanger
You obviously don't know how much we pay the girls in Brazil but it's pretty fucking good - better than any other company and they get paid a lot better than more "educated" professions. I know many of them would take exception at your calling of them poorly educated but nice racial and bigoted stereotyping.
I fail to see though how I'm a self-righteous charlatan (check your spelling next time instead of just snapping with ire. Care to help me understand or do you have any other inane ramblings or useless crap to bicker about?
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02-03-2009 #42
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Re: Grooby,Bob's Tgirls,Evil Angel etc must educate on silic
Originally Posted by SarahG
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And starting early is not necessarily a good idea, according to those who should know about these things (although it is not taboo as it was before):
http://www.secondtype.com/young.htm
The widely followed HBIGDA Standards of Care of Gender Identity Disorders, a document which has previously (and increasingly controversially) been against the treatment against the hormonal treatment of under 16's, has relaxed its rules somewhat in the latest (2001) Version 6. It now states that:
"Adolescents may be eligible for puberty-delaying hormones as soon as pubertal changes have begun. In order for the adolescent and his or her parents to make an informed decision about pubertal delay, it is recommended that the adolescent experience the onset of puberty in his or her biologic sex, at least to Tanner Stage Two." [on average this means about age 11 for biologic females, age 12 for biologic males] .....
"Adolescents may be eligible to begin masculinizing or feminizing hormone therapy as early as age 16, preferably with parental consent. In many countries 16-year olds are legal adults for medical decision making, and do not require parental consent. ....
"Any surgical intervention should not be carried out prior to adulthood, or prior to a real-life experience of at least two years in the gender role of the sex with which the adolescent identifies. The threshold of 18 should be seen as an eligibility criterion and not an indication in itself for active intervention."
Although still not coming out in favour of starting feminizing hormone treatment at a normal puberty age and delaying any sex change surgery until at least age 18, the standards do at least now allow the treatment of very young adolescents with puberty-delaying hormones and thus help prevent the socially and mentally disastrous development of normal male [secondary] sexual characteristics and appearance in an under-16 MTF school girl.
In its defence, the "Standards of Care" is clearly and understandably concerned about some instances of unsuccessful boy-to-girl gender re-assignment of intersexed babies, such as the highly publicised failure of the gender re-assignment David Reimer (aka the "John/Joan" case), and wants to avoid any future repetition.
Anyway, my thoughts are a bit random right now because I need some sleep. I'll check out how the debate continues tomorrow.
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02-03-2009 #43
Blamiing Adult Content Providers for problems from silicone is like blaming Cheech and Chong for the prevalence of pot. Media reflects a culture's values, it doesn't cause them. And this culture values a highly idealized, artificial perfection and condemns those who fall short. Just look at the some of the comments in some of the threads where girls who haven't pumped are berated. If you want to pass the blame around, blame those buying the content and those idolizing and rewarding the girls who take those risks. Its simple supply and demand and so long as girls with hips and butts are more in demand, there will be girls who will try to supply it. You pay more to see girls with silicone than without and you buy more videos or join website with girls with silicone than of those without it. Until that changes, girls will continue to try to change their bodies to meet that societal ideal, knowing the risks, and no amount of additional warning will deter them.
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02-03-2009 #44
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Please any girls who feel like they need to do it. Just weigh in your options and you might actually find out that doing it the right way is the best way to go. Get some butt implants or Fat grafting. JUST DON'T DO IT!
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02-03-2009 #45
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Originally Posted by seanchai
I called no one poorly educated other than you. I am far from a bigot, alsa two of my best friends are Brazilian, born and raised, so I have been there many times. I find it hard to believe that you are paying girls to do porn more than the average professional makes, and you know its not true. So you pay higher than average for transsexual hooker in Rio to do porn, and that merits some sort of pat on the back? They do it out of necessity and you prey on that necessity. Everyone enjoys looking at porn, but in places like South America and Southeast Asia it comes at a price, and you sure are not the one being taken advantage of. Why do you even try and pussyfoot around it and pretend as if it is not the truth? Any intelligent person is aware. And not that I even think it is your responsibility at all, but I have to state what is obvious, you have no inclination to help any of these girls if it does not benefit you. Keep it real.
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02-03-2009 #46Originally Posted by trannybanger
I'm sorry you find it hard to believe but look up some average wages in say Brazil or Thailand. The models we work with in Thailand, do far better than the average similar aged University leaver and the payments we give them to work with us, are excellent. Which is why the models come back to work with our company, again and again and why many models will work, only with us. Yes of course it's necessity, the same as as individual in this country has to go and work in McDonald's for a living but they don't have to work with us, most have jobs in bars and could make their living there, they work with us because they payment they get is a good days work.
You stated in your first ridiculous posting, "so keeping them as uneducated as possible is what gives them the upper hand. " so yes, you did call them un-educated and your "I have a Brazilian friend" argument is just an embarrassment.
So how am I a charlatan?
How am I un-educated or a liar - and whom do I take advantage of?
You've made plenty of accusations. You've judged me solely on the fact that you "think" that as a pornographer we take advantage of people in these "poor" countries but you've provided no facts or substantial information and are downright incorrect in most of your assertions?
What do you do that is so great? How many people from 3rd world counties do you abuse on a daily basis and how many people do you genuinely help, I'm willing to bet you do a lot worse that I do.
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02-03-2009 #47Originally Posted by meghanchavalier
i been thinking of doing it for awhile, hearing diff stories. "/
prob not going to do it.
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02-03-2009 #48
Re: Grooby,Bob's Tgirls,Evil Angel etc must educate on silic
Originally Posted by LG
Everything has risks. Simply getting in the car to get to get to a doctor's office has risks. But there's a far cry difference between hrt and some pumping party using industrial grade silicone.
By the way, your link had this disclaimer in it:
"This study is a retrospective and not a case-control study. Therefore, no definitive conclusions about the relative risks of cross-gender hormone treatment can be drawn."
The reality is that the current treatment schemes simply don't work well. It would be redundant to mention the prevalence of suicides, suicide attempts, and self destructive behavior for trans people. There's not going to be a magic cure all, there isn't going to be some policy change that could make that suddenly vaporize... but I find it laughable that any criticism of making treatment access easier is so often countered with "oh, but its risky". Sure its risky, transitioning is going to be risky (to a point). But there's a huge difference between proper medical care, from supportive medical professionals... and a pumping party where people with no medical training are playing around with industrial silicone that was never meant to go anywhere near the human body.
And starting early is not necessarily a good idea, according to those who should know about these things
What next, some quotes from Bailey, Blanchard, or the Clark Institute?
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02-03-2009 #49
LG, I have to agree with what SarahG writes, above. And beyond the argument that life is all about navigating the risk/reward line, and that much of HRT research is still yet inconclusive, I think there is a bigger issue...
How do we live authentic lives? For people who come to the conclusion that they would be more happy to be transgender, be it at age 12 or age 40, what role should society and medicine play to help such individuals and their parents?
There may be no greater reward in life than to lead an authentic one. That would seem to imply that the risks associated with leading such a life could justifiably be quite high.
On your original question... I didn't vote. I guess I'm neutral until I hear a fully persuasive argument, for or against.
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02-03-2009 #50
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talking about how brasillian girls are paid well is equal to the same conversation that i had on the SER board about guys paying thai hookers $15 for a fuck and $45 for an overnight
the arguement was to them that they paid well over the asking price and that w/ that price the girl could feed her family of 8 for a week
my arguement was that doesnt make it right
and i stand behind that assesment
but thats why ppl use the services of 3rd world countries bc they can get away with a lot more for a whole lot less $$$
same reason why when people have work to do at their home they will use workers standing outside of the home depot vs. using the home depots workers to do it
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