Grooby,Bob's Tgirls,Evil Angel etc must educate on silicone!

[GroobySteven]

LG, with all due respect, I think your being a little naive or maybe just over romantic.
Every TS in Brazil whether they knew her or not, will know that this girl died of silicone poisoning - and they will know other girls who have died of silicone poisoning, of AIDS, murdered and other lifestyle causes. They know how dangerous it is - and they know it's a risk yet they're still going to do it.

Nothing you or I say or do, will change that. It's like yelling at a brick wall. They will agree, they will understand but ultimately they will take the risk. Obviously not every girl will - but the ones who will ... will.

Sad yes.
Avoidable yes.
Realistically being able to stop it? Unlikely.

[trannybanger]

Bottom line of a few girls dying of silicone poisoning is virtually un-affected.
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Good to know you have calculated disposability into the P&L

You are an ass.
Your other message isn't even worth replying to in this topic. If you really want to question my skill and intelligence and "bottom feeding" bring it up in another topic and maybe I'll deem to answer it.

It's easy enough to find out what we pay models but I'll leave that up to you to find out as you obviously know so little.

Isn't even worth replying to? Thanks for the compliment. And just to make sure you are clear, I don't believe I ever said you had skill or intelligence, much less question it. What you do or how you do it makes no difference to me, and I have no concern really to know the exact amount you are paying girls in Brazil. I know its not much, and so do you. I just really loathe a self rightous charlatan. I am sure you understand.

[LG]

I have posted this article to the Stopping The Hate website about my own personal experience with silicone injections. Normally I don't discuss the subject, but after hearing about another young transgender woman dying from the injections I thought it best to talk about it openly in hopes that it might help other young transgender women from ever considering loose silicone injections as an option.

http://stoppingthehate.com/News-Arti..._Chavalier.htm

Peace and I hope this helps on the subject at hand
Meghan

Thanks for your comments and the link, Meghan. Your experiences sound shocking. I hope others read the article and take note.

Congrats on your Lifetime Achievement Award, by the way. I can't think of anyone who could deserve more.

[meghanchavalier]

I just hope my experience might help change one young transgender woman's mind.

[LG]

LG, with all due respect, I think your being a little naive or maybe just over romantic.
Every TS in Brazil whether they knew her or not, will know that this girl died of silicone poisoning - and they will know other girls who have died of silicone poisoning, of AIDS, murdered and other lifestyle causes. They know how dangerous it is - and they know it's a risk yet they're still going to do it.

Nothing you or I say or do, will change that. It's like yelling at a brick wall. They will agree, they will understand but ultimately they will take the risk. Obviously not every girl will - but the ones who will ... will.

Sad yes.
Avoidable yes.
Realistically being able to stop it? Unlikely.

I've always been romantic, seanchai. I like to think that people can make a difference.

Sadly you are probably right in this case. But, mate, even if it's like yelling at a brick wall, yell away. At least you've tried. And maybe, just maybe, it will save a life, even if it's just one.

Romantic? Yes.
Naive? Maybe.
Worth doing? Why not?

[Odelay]

The irony is pretty rich in this thread.

A guy who uses the nickname "Trannybanger" is lecturing others about being a bottom feeder and not treating transsexuals right.

And sorry TSJennifer, I have no bone to pick with you, but I'm not sure you're the right messenger for a point about how "retouched pictures" can influence other transsexuals to get unsafe silicon injections.

[TsJennifer]

Most of all the girls I know, know the risk and continue to get pumped with silicone. I feel that the reason for this is because there is no alternative that is affordable.

I also think that alot of the girls that are considering getting pumped with silicone see all these beautiful retouched pictures of these girls with curvy bodies and think I want that and can have that! What the girls dont see is the negative affect of silicon or the un retouched version of the pics. Where you can see the discoloration, dark stains, lumps, bumps, dents, drastic migration where the silicone has moved to other parts of the body or fallen down from there hips to there legs and ankles.

The think that the girls with silicone and have issues with it dont talk about it! They dont want anyone to know! Its a very hush hush issue.

I know of other girls that have died or had serious heath issues from silicone its quite sad.

When me and Jennifer hung out here in Los Angeles I warned her about silicone. I am not going to discuss it publicly because honestly I have not have tremendous issues with my hips. Altho I have had some, normal things such as a bit of discoloration and migration, but nothing too drastic.

With everything that you do to your body you must research it and understand the risks. There are very good people who do it, only a few, and a doctor in mexico who's work can be seen on most of your well known T-Girls.

Most girls who get this done are educated to do it little by little, but when too much is injected at once you get migration.

It is an issue that has been talked about many times on HA. I personally encourage girls not to do it, but some need it.

I recently met a nurse in a small cosmetic procedure office in Beverly hills who is doing it legally in a safe and clean small office.

I don't think it's the directors business to educate anyone. Even girls who are never in this scene get it done. More so in the "Drag/Illusion" scene. Some girls I know get their face work with silicone on their brow bones, on the bridge of their nose, chin, even underneeth their eyes... Free flowing silicone only mm from their eyes...

It's definitely a bad trend, but as transsexualism becomes more "popular and accepted " we will see a shift in the expectations society has from us. We will see girls just being natural and accepting themselves a lot more.

You are right. You and other girls have warned me and have been honest with me with there issues with silicone and I appreciate it !

[trannybanger]

The irony is pretty rich in this thread.

A guy who uses the nickname "Trannybanger" is lecturing others about being a bottom feeder and not treating transsexuals right.
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Listen Beck, this is a porn board, I get the irony of the whole thing, which is why my name is what I am. Hypocrite is something I am not. But you know really nothing of me or what I do, nor how I treat transgender people. It is irrelevent. I am just responding to the subject of the thread, and refuse to ignore the reality of what is right there in black and white.

[SarahG]

I think now it is up to those who deal directly with these girls to take action and launch a major campaign to raise awareness. I am talking about the photographers, the other models, the people who run the websites and produced the DVDs- everyone involved in the porn and escorting industry. If the people who have made money by photographing these girls or putting them online can do this, they can give something substantial back to the TS community, especially in Brazil, where this problem is common and deaths occur frequently.

If you really want to get people to stop injecting, find a way to make it easy for girls to go on HRT before puberty starts. Until that happens, people are going to turn to whatever they think MIGHT help, even when its risky.

This isn't really about what happens in Brazil. Pumping happens all over, even in the US. All you have to do is google this and you'll see it happens here, people die from it here, and when someone dies from it here- local DA's offices usually try to find someone to charge for it.

I really don't see how anyone could even attempt to throw the producers under the bus for this. They're not the ones who dictate access to proper medical care, regulate medical protocols, or throw shit fits when supportive parents try to help their kids get on HRT at the right age.

If someone were to really want to make a far-fetched argument about responsibility on this, how about all the consumers of these products out there who eagerly support (either in votes, donations, or volunteering) conservative politicians? Not having access to trans health care would be less of a problem if it weren't for the stigmatization & discrimination problems. And those two problems have a snowballing effect that is directly responsible for the practices that the medical community is currently able to get away with (i.e. "I'm not putting you on hrt, you're not __ years old yet. Comeback in _ years," or health care providers basically saying "we'll cover you for any treatment you need that's listed in the DSM, well, except this one- and since no one cares about your situation, we can get away with not calling it what it is [discrimination].").

[Solitary Brother]

This is a RARE example of me agreeing with Mr.Grooby.
Its NOT up to a pornographer to educate and be a quasi-health care worker for transexuals.
To even bring it up is beyond crazy.

AND......I did not insult that young girl.
Im not trying to suck anyones dick on this forum so I can speak freely.
She is not the living end as some of you suspect.
I was trying to warn her about getting a big head.
Thats all ........and I did say she was very passable.

Im not here to kiss anyones ass.....I call 'em like I see 'em.