Grooby,Bob's Tgirls,Evil Angel etc must educate on silicone!

[GroobySteven]

Do you really think pornographers in poverty stricken countries are really concerned about these girls in anyway other than how it affects their profit margin?

They are paying them practically nothing, so keeping them as uneducated as possible is what gives them the upper hand. It is a perfect example of how to move forward by holding someone else back.

Obviously you know very little so maybe you should be quiet until you learn more. The models in "poverty stricken countries" (New York City? Texas?) get paid comparatively well and make a lot more from their adult work than from escorting. They also often make a relative payment from modeling that is higher than a Western model might.

Don't bother speaking when it's absolute rubbish that comes out of your trap - or from derailing this topic.

[GroobySteven]

Do you really think pornographers in poverty stricken countries are really concerned about these girls in anyway other than how it affects their profit margin?

They are paying them practically nothing, so keeping them as uneducated as possible is what gives them the upper hand. It is a perfect example of how to move forward by holding someone else back.

Perhaps, but what about the owners of the sites? I'm talking about people like Seanchai. I'm sure he wants to prevent the death of more young girls.

Seanchai is a pornographer, and I am sure he is interested in preventing that as well.... it affects his bottom line.

More absolute drivel. Don't comment about me unless you know a hell of a lot more about me. Bottom line of a few girls dying of silicone poisoning is virtually un-affected.
Personally, it does affect me because I've tried to promote to models not to do it and I hate to see wasted lives.
So fuck off, with your crap.

[LG]

You guys(men) on here dont understand the true nature of transexuals.
Most dont like their bodies BEFORE their transition since it usually looks male and will do ALMOST anything to change it.

LG your an ass.

No, it's "LG, you're an ass", Solitary Brother, you illiterate clod. How dare you accuse me of insensitivity after insulting Britney Boykins (and Jen) the way you did in another thread?

What's more you missed the point of the thread completely.

[trannybanger]

Do you really think pornographers in poverty stricken countries are really concerned about these girls in anyway other than how it affects their profit margin?

They are paying them practically nothing, so keeping them as uneducated as possible is what gives them the upper hand. It is a perfect example of how to move forward by holding someone else back.

Obviously you know very little so maybe you should be quiet until you learn more. The models in "poverty stricken countries" (New York City? Texas?) get paid comparatively well and make a lot more from their adult work than from escorting. They also often make a relative payment from modeling that is higher than a Western model might.

Don't bother speaking when it's absolute rubbish that comes out of your trap - or from derailing this topic.

Touch a nerve did I? I think you may be able to try that with some of the other boys in the sandbox my friend, but not with me. My comments were directly related to this topic.

You ARE a PORNOGRAPHER. It is a career path that doesn't really take a skill nor much intelligence, it is what some would refer to as a bottomfeeder type of career. Lets not pretend that it is work you do to bring about the better good to anyone involved other than yourself. That is my point, regardless of if the girls would listen or not.

And in regards to these girls in South America, be honest, if they were to educate themselves better in general you wouldn't be able to get the material at such a low price. Please don't patronize us saying they are payed relatively well. This thread was begun in regards to a Brazilian girl, would you not agree that is a poverty stricken country? Please enlighten us to the great pay you are handing out for a shoot. I am sure most people would feel it is a viable plan to skyrocket to prosperity.

[Danielle Foxx]

Most of all the girls I know, know the risk and continue to get pumped with silicone. I feel that the reason for this is because there is no alternative that is affordable.

I also think that alot of the girls that are considering getting pumped with silicone see all these beautiful retouched pictures of these girls with curvy bodies and think I want that and can have that! What the girls dont see is the negative affect of silicon or the un retouched version of the pics. Where you can see the discoloration, dark stains, lumps, bumps, dents, drastic migration where the silicone has moved to other parts of the body or fallen down from there hips to there legs and ankles.

The think that the girls with silicone and have issues with it dont talk about it! They dont want anyone to know! Its a very hush hush issue.

I know of other girls that have died or had serious heath issues from silicone its quite sad.

When me and Jennifer hung out here in Los Angeles I warned her about silicone. I am not going to discuss it publicly because honestly I have not have tremendous issues with my hips. Altho I have had some, normal things such as a bit of discoloration and migration, but nothing too drastic.

With everything that you do to your body you must research it and understand the risks. There are very good people who do it, only a few, and a doctor in mexico who's work can be seen on most of your well known T-Girls.

Most girls who get this done are educated to do it little by little, but when too much is injected at once you get migration.

It is an issue that has been talked about many times on HA. I personally encourage girls not to do it, but some need it.

I recently met a nurse in a small cosmetic procedure office in Beverly hills who is doing it legally in a safe and clean small office.

I don't think it's the directors business to educate anyone. Even girls who are never in this scene get it done. More so in the "Drag/Illusion" scene. Some girls I know get their face work with silicone on their brow bones, on the bridge of their nose, chin, even underneeth their eyes... Free flowing silicone only mm from their eyes...

It's definitely a bad trend, but as transsexualism becomes more "popular and accepted " we will see a shift in the expectations society has from us. We will see girls just being natural and accepting themselves a lot more.

[trannybanger]

Bottom line of a few girls dying of silicone poisoning is virtually un-affected.
.

Good to know you have calculated disposability into the P&L

[GroobySteven]

Bottom line of a few girls dying of silicone poisoning is virtually un-affected.
.

Good to know you have calculated disposability into the P&L

You are an ass.
Your other message isn't even worth replying to in this topic. If you really want to question my skill and intelligence and "bottom feeding" bring it up in another topic and maybe I'll deem to answer it.

It's easy enough to find out what we pay models but I'll leave that up to you to find out as you obviously know so little.

[LG]

I'm sorry to hear that about Kelly, I usually get first hand information on one of the girls dying and will check with Damazo to see what he has.

I'll answer LG's question first and then take exception with some of the other posters.

LG - I know where your coming from. I can only speak for myself and my company but we've tried. I've talked to girls personally over the years, I tried to instill into them that it's bad, I've posted horror stories and more recently we've launched the blog http://www.grooby.com/fallenangels/ (which unfortuantely will need an update) to promote awareness of how many TS's in this industry die. I've had friends die from silicone poisoning and it's a painful and horrible death.

Jennifer P's and Jennifer J's answer are both right as is Jerichos (and a few others). These girls are attaining to be beautiful and they take beauty as needing to have curvier asses and wider hips. Whether it's guys on forums like this, or other TS's (also on forums like this) putting down models because they're not feminine enough, whether it's being unable to get as many tricks or as many jobs in the industry that you want to point your finger at, the fact is, that they do know the dangers and they do it anyway. It's a risk that they are willing to take (any different from having unprotected sex to please a client or make a movie?). Personally, I feel a lot of it is competitive between transsexuals - I've seen them at it, putting each other down as "having a man ass" or likewise.

What can we do? What we've always done. We shoot models as they come, we don't encourage them to have any un-necessary surgery and have certainly told plenty in the past not to inject silicone, continue to treat each model as an individual. I don't think creating some sort of "group" of people is going to really to anything to help, LG. I just don't see them listening and really, what can we do? Stop working with those who have been pumped?

If this is going to change, it has to start with the girls educating each other. Again, I can only speak for my company but we'd never refuse a model over not having enough curves or suggest she'd get more work with the curves.

seanchai

Thanks for the answer, seanchai. I was hoping you'd give your input here. I understand what you say about not being able to help much. But I also believe that you do care about the girls, and not just because they help you to make money, and hope that you will find a way to help.

I accept that the girls may be aware that pumping has some risks although perhaps they may not know the true nature of these risks and how likely it is that there may be serious complications. I think that also they need to be told that it's okay not to pump, that it's not necessary, that in the long term it may make them uglier and less shapely and far less feminine if it goes wrong.

Finally, I won't comment on some of the other posts, but feel that if we all discuss things a little calmly this is becoming an interesting debate on the social responsibilities of the porn industry (and those who buy into it- ie. the "admirers").

[meghanchavalier]

I have posted this article to the Stopping The Hate website about my own personal experience with silicone injections. Normally I don't discuss the subject, but after hearing about another young transgender woman dying from the injections I thought it best to talk about it openly in hopes that it might help other young transgender women from ever considering loose silicone injections as an option.

http://stoppingthehate.com/News-Arti..._Chavalier.htm

Peace and I hope this helps on the subject at hand
Meghan

[LG]

With everything that you do to your body you must research it and understand the risks.

Okay, but which of the girls who pump do this properly, Danielle? It's like reading the small print on an instruction manual- I'm guessing nobody does this. Of course if you blow the appliance it's your fault, but here we're talking about people's lives and not just a microwave.

And the girls should be told that pumping also has aesthetic risks. Jennifer made a good point here:

I also think that alot of the girls that are considering getting pumped with silicone see all these beautiful retouched pictures of these girls with curvy bodies and think I want that and can have that! What the girls dont see is the negative affect of silicon or the un retouched version of the pics. Where you can see the discoloration, dark stains, lumps, bumps, dents, drastic migration where the silicone has moved to other parts of the body or fallen down from there hips to there legs and ankles.