Transgender On MTV's REAL WORLD: BROOKLYN

[HillaryTS]

To say she isn't pretty is pretty rude and inappropriate.

It's pretty irrelevant how attractive a TG person on TV looks. It's more important that awareness of TG/TS is out there.

I'd much rather see a normal looking person portrayed than some prostitute that will only further degrade the image people already have of TS and transgendered.

[SarahG]

To say she isn't pretty is pretty rude and inappropriate.

It's pretty irrelevant how attractive a TG person on TV looks. It's more important that awareness of TG/TS is out there.

I'd much rather see a normal looking person portrayed than some prostitute that will only further degrade the image people already have of TS and transgendered.

No, the big issue is how people are portrayed, not that they are portrayed.

Awareness is counter productive if it is BAD awareness.

[HillaryTS]

To say she isn't pretty is pretty rude and inappropriate.

It's pretty irrelevant how attractive a TG person on TV looks. It's more important that awareness of TG/TS is out there.

I'd much rather see a normal looking person portrayed than some prostitute that will only further degrade the image people already have of TS and transgendered.

No, the big issue is how people are portrayed, not that they are portrayed.

Awareness is counter productive if it is BAD awareness.

To say that a non-passable transgendered person being portrayed in an assumed positive manner, is worse than the same scenario with a more passable transgendered person is just wrong.

[SarahG]

To say she isn't pretty is pretty rude and inappropriate.

It's pretty irrelevant how attractive a TG person on TV looks. It's more important that awareness of TG/TS is out there.

I'd much rather see a normal looking person portrayed than some prostitute that will only further degrade the image people already have of TS and transgendered.

No, the big issue is how people are portrayed, not that they are portrayed.

Awareness is counter productive if it is BAD awareness.

To say that a non-passable transgendered person being portrayed in an assumed positive manner, is worse than the same scenario with a more passable transgendered person is just wrong.

You're right, that would be incorrect on general terms.

But I am talking about bad awareness, bad attention- i.e. stereotypes.

If all the general public ever sees in relation to trans stuff, are bad, then that is going to impact any time they do end up dealing with a trans person.

If the general public are made to believe, via the newspapers & TV shows, that trans people are middle aged sexual deviants who like to put on hose to jerk off, that's going to be bad for our discrimination problems.

A HR person, under such misconceptions, hiring someone for a job that deals with children, is probably going to not even respond to a trans job applicant if all they ever see are stories like this (for instance):
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...cle2009517.ece

The idea that all trans people are sexual perverts is just one bad stereotype among MANY that our community has to deal with. It is just as bad for the general public to think that transitioning is some impulsive mid life crisis.

And yes, it is also bad if the general public are led to believe that all trans people are nonpassing middle aged guys putting on dresses.

The TYPE of publicity is the most important thing, not who the individual is in the spotlight.

[tsntx]

The TYPE of publicity is the most important thing, not who the individual is in the spotlight.




agreed^^^
and that goes for all stereotypes

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Actors/actresses/models put themselves out there. But that doesn't mean the paparazzi's got the right to hound them. In the same manner, we (Tg's) all go out in public, but that's NOT any invitation for the general public to openly ridicule and humiliate us! It be different if we were criticizing someone's acting say in a movie or what not. But physical appearance? Come on! Beauty is subjective. What is pretty to others may not appeal to most and vice versa.

I agree with your logic to a point, but she is going on a reality tv show, intentionally putting herself in the spotlight knowing full well what those types of shows like to do with their participants. I don't see how anyone with half a brain could go on a show like that and expect to be anything but used as some cheesy novelty or comical element... just as all the non-trans participants on those shows go on knowing they're going to be used (some way or another) to create ratings, and because of that; the general public is going to form their opinions and comment on it (and those comments might not always be nice).

That's a far cry difference from going out in public to say, go grocery shopping as a private individual... and it, IMHO, would be an open invitation if a girl decided to bring a cableTV production crew with her wherever she goes shopping in public during the day. How many of those cheesy cableTV shows have we seen where they followed a nonpassable tgirl around for hours of her day to day life, followed by some scene of her going off to get srs (or recovering from srs)? Sure, it gets trans issues coverage & attention, but at what cost? Do we really want people to think "no tgirls pass" or that its some kind of "impulsive mid-life crisis"? And that's to say nothing of the girls who transition late, get SRS, decide they're done (never get FFS), and flash their cunt any time someone in public reads on them or clocks them. Gee, that's a good way to get the general public to accept us! /sarcasm.

As much as I'd hate to say it, appearances matter in our society and the general public is always going to be more hostile towards those who are physically "different." Least we forget, the stereotype of trans people being "sexual deviants" did not exist in American culture until AFTER hollywood started making it an issue in the 1930's. All through the 20's, trans actresses were very successful and MAINSTREAM in American entertainment, it was hollywood which brought up the idea of it being "some sick perversion" and it was only after that did the religious groups jump on board with that stereotype. And that stereotype has remained to some extent ever since, we've never been able to get passed it entirely, maybe we never will.

You've made good points Sarah. But then again, her being on MTV's The Real World is much tamer and slightly better than being on Maury's or Jerry is it not? Also, who are we to judge and or conclude that after SRS she wouldn't do something about those jaws and not get FFS? For all we know, whatever she makes (yes I know for a fact that they get paid for doing the show and not a measly $500 bucks like some talk shows) she'll probably saving it for FFS (Just a hunch)?

All I a pointing out is this: It is quite understandable if someone (out of the community) says something negative towards fellow TG's. We can just assume they don't have any idea what it's like being a transgender. BUT negativity coming from fellow tg's is another issue all together. And that is truly sad if you ask me. How do we change the general public's perception about us if we ourselves are always so negative of our own?!?

~Kisses.

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[rabidroyboy]

Good comment Hara...

It's not like we have a list of who tried out to go over and say 'here's the transwoman I would have chosen.' If we did we could criticize their choice of volunteers for the job, and complain about MTV and media representation.

Sean

Hara has the best personality of any girl on this board. She is very pretty and intelligent, too.

Every time I read her posts I like her more and more.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Thanks rabidroyboy. :P

~Kisses.

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[tsntx]

You've made good points Sarah. But then again, her being on MTV's The Real World is much tamer and slightly better than being on Maury's or Jerry is it not? Also, who are we to judge and or conclude that after SRS she wouldn't do something about those jaws and not get FFS? For all we know, whatever she makes (yes I know for a fact that they get paid for doing the show and not a measly $500 bucks like some talk shows) she'll probably saving it for FFS (Just a hunch)?

All I a pointing out is this: It is quite understandable if someone (out of the community) says something negative towards fellow TG's. We can just assume they don't have any idea what it's like being a transgender. BUT negativity coming from fellow tg's is another issue all together. And that is truly sad if you ask me. How do we change the general public's perception about us if we ourselves are always so negative of our own?!?

~Kisses.

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hara, i dont have a problem w/ you so dont take this personally... stfu

you cut on the girls looks talking about her much needed ffs and jaw work, you cut on girls that have tried to make some sort of legit career, maury or jerry isnt a bad thing if you use it for the exposure to further yourself, i havent seen YOU on real tv and im sure its bc you havent been offered.... so its easy to turn down and make light of something you cant achieve..... way to keep that "crab mentality" thing going tho! great job.

oh and the RW pays $250 a day, youre responsible for your own food, clothes, and anything else you need money for except housing. filming takes place over 45 days, you dont get extra from ANY liscencing- books, magazines, toys, etc etc and then you take away for taxes and other things and its not nearly enough.... plus shes gotta pay off that slicked up new vagina

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

You've made good points Sarah. But then again, her being on MTV's The Real World is much tamer and slightly better than being on Maury's or Jerry is it not? Also, who are we to judge and or conclude that after SRS she wouldn't do something about those jaws and not get FFS? For all we know, whatever she makes (yes I know for a fact that they get paid for doing the show and not a measly $500 bucks like some talk shows) she'll probably saving it for FFS (Just a hunch)?

All I a pointing out is this: It is quite understandable if someone (out of the community) says something negative towards fellow TG's. We can just assume they don't have any idea what it's like being a transgender. BUT negativity coming from fellow tg's is another issue all together. And that is truly sad if you ask me. How do we change the general public's perception about us if we ourselves are always so negative of our own?!?

~Kisses.

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hara, i dont have a problem w/ you so dont take this personally... stfu

you cut on the girls looks talking about her much needed ffs and jaw work, you cut on girls that have tried to make some sort of legit career, maury or jerry isnt a bad thing if you use it for the exposure to further yourself, i havent seen YOU on real tv and im sure its bc you havent been offered.... so its easy to turn down and make light of something you cant achieve..... way to keep that "crab mentality" thing going tho! great job.

oh and the RW pays $250 a day, youre responsible for your own food, clothes, and anything else you need money for except housing. filming takes place over 45 days, you dont get extra from ANY liscencing- books, magazines, toys, etc etc and then you take away for taxes and other things and its not nearly enough.... plus shes gotta pay off that shicked up new vagina

Jen, I've got no problem with you either. Just having conversation about what was said and how it's NOT helping our community any - bottomline! I was only agreeing with someone (was that YOU?) who said something about her jaw being masculine (not like I added even more hurtful comments to what was already said). So shut up!

Also, I'm more of a private person (If you can't tell). If I wasn't, I would have already re-shoot for grooby awhile back. I've turned down ding porn/fetish vids, interviews etc. So what makes you think that I would be dying (desperate?) to be on tv at the expense of being judged and ridiculed by people I don't care to know, muchless care about for ameasly couple hundred bucks? No thanks! I make decent money working a day job. But that's me. We are all different. Some girls are like moths to a flame that's their business while others are NOT!

~Kisses.

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