Angry Iraqi throws shoes at Bush in Baghdad

[Coroner]

Bush will go down as the worst Pres in US history, however we need to stop helping these other ungrateful countries. Fuck Them I hope Obama stops giving aid to all those countries in the world that hate Americans.

Lobbyist are scum.

The USA invade those countries, rip them off and they should be grateful? Too bad he didn´t throw Al Bundy´s shoes on him.

Um if weren't for Americans the French would be speaking German from all those Nazi's from Austria and Germany that killed how many Jews ?

Funny when Euro trash tries to shit on America.

I do not shit on America. If I did, I won´t come on this board. Funny from you to bring out something that happened here over 60 years ago. Both Germany and Austria faced their history and Nazis are the biggest shame for both countries. You can get jailed here for openly worshipping Hitler national-socialism or denying the Holocaust while lots of Americans celebrate mass murderers and war criminals as national heroes. General Custer was portrayed as a romantic hero in 40ies/50ies´ Hollywood Westerns, racial segregation was "normal" in American society, the fundaments of the US base upon genocide, slavery and exploitation. The reason why America entered WWII is the Japanese on Pearl Harbour, not their care for Jews. Another reason was the fear from Germany. A country with a racist society fighting against fascism and for freedom? Yes, my ass. The Confederation flag is still present on flags of some Southern states. Do I have to mention what this flag stands for? Morgan Freeman, a Mississippi native, started a campaign to remove the Confederate flag and failed because "it´s part of tradition and history". Famous antisemites and business partners or fans of the Nazis like Henry Ford and Walt Disney are "symbols" of the American dream.
Europe is grateful for America´s contribution in freeing this continent from the Nazi scum and this will never be forgotten. But, today, invading countries that are no danger for the US makes no sense. South American hopes like Salvador Allende and Che Guevara were assassinated by the CIA and fascist regimes installed. You obiously don´t know enough about your history. The list goes on like the war against Vietnam, Korea etc. Read a book.

[Coroner]

Bush will go down as the worst Pres in US history, however we need to stop helping these other ungrateful countries. Fuck Them I hope Obama stops giving aid to all those countries in the world that hate Americans.

Lobbyist are scum.

The USA invade those countries, rip them off and they should be grateful? Too bad he didn´t throw Al Bundy´s shoes on him.

Um if weren't for Americans the French would be speaking German from all those Nazi's from Austria and Germany that killed how many Jews ?

Funny when Euro trash tries to shit on America.

I do not shit on America. If I did, I won´t come on this board. Funny from you to bring out something that happened here over 60 years ago. Both Germany and Austria faced their history and Nazis are the biggest shame for both countries. You can get jailed here for openly worshipping Hitler national-socialism or denying the Holocaust while lots of Americans celebrate mass murderers and war criminals as national heroes. General Custer was portrayed as a romantic hero in 40ies/50ies´ Hollywood Westerns, racial segregation was "normal" in American society, the fundaments of the US base upon genocide, slavery and exploitation. The reason why America entered WWII is the Japanese on Pearl Harbour, not their care for Jews. Another reason was the fear from Germany. A country with a racist society fighting against fascism and for freedom? Yes, my ass. The Confederation flag is still present on flags of some Southern states. Do I have to mention what this flag stands for? Morgan Freeman, a Mississippi native, started a campaign to remove the Confederate flag and failed because "it´s part of tradition and history". Famous antisemites and business partners or fans of the Nazis like Henry Ford and Walt Disney are "symbols" of the American dream.
Europe is grateful for America´s contribution in freeing this continent from the Nazi scum and this will never be forgotten. But, today, invading countries that are no danger for the US makes no sense. South American hopes like Salvador Allende and Che Guevara were assassinated by the CIA and fascist regimes installed. You obiously don´t know enough about your history. The list goes on like the war against Vietnam, Korea etc. Read a book.

[Coroner]

Bush will go down as the worst Pres in US history, however we need to stop helping these other ungrateful countries. Fuck Them I hope Obama stops giving aid to all those countries in the world that hate Americans.

Lobbyist are scum.

Helping them You need to stop wanking & read a book.

No I was against the surge in Iraq but Saddam was a scumbag so these people are better off without a leader who killed his 2 son in laws, wifes brother and Kurds and tortured many people.

The guy who threw the shoe was a jerkoff, could you imagine if in America we did that to another leader visiting at the UN ? The whole world would be freaking today.

Saddam was a scumbag but he was their scumbag.Just like Bush is your scumbag.

I couldn´t have said it better. And sorry for the double post.

[rico87]

I agree with you Vietnam was bullshit Nixon getting involved to stop communism was a another fucked up move. Should have just left the French to continue to lose their ass. Same with South Korea.

I don't need a book to read about the past of American politics, but like you said Europeans are grateful for America in WWII.

You left out Reagan sending troops to Lebanon where 230 marines were killed, why were we there or Clinton's fuck ups with Somalia and Kosovo.

American needs to do what the EU does sit back and worry about their own. However I lost many friends in 9/11 and would luv to see Bin laden bring back to Manhattan and dropped off at any local Fire Department.

When I go back to my motherland in Europe I get spat at for migrating to the states so again no book reading here.

[tstrek]

[SarahG]

Um if weren't for Americans the French would be speaking German from all those Nazi's from Austria and Germany that killed how many Jews ?

Funny when Euro trash tries to shit on America.

Actually if the United States had remained neutral (neutrality was just a bullshit line to get elected, Wilson was an interventionist... Wilson's top aid, Colonel House met with the British to plan a US entrance in the event of a likely German victory, submarine warfare was just the excuse for intervention);*

1- Germany would have won, there would have been no US Marines to stop the 1918 offensive. Long term ramifications: no raise of the nazis, no "November criminals" for Hitler to rally against.

2- Germany would have been able to pull off Operation Schlubstein. This would have;
A- created a series of satellite states on Germany's east side, as was originally intended with Finland (that's why the Kaiser tried to establish a monarchy with one of his relatives in control).
B- stopped the communist revolution before it really got anywhere (Lenin himself wrote that the only reason why the revolution was succeeding was because the German military hadn't come into Petrograd to put it down with force). Long term ramifications: no cold war, at least not against Russia.

General Custer was portrayed as a romantic hero in 40ies/50ies´

He still is portrayed that way, anyone seen Gibson's "We were soldiers"? If anything hollywood has been getting WORSE at its revisionist history. "The Patriot" didn't even bother to use the correct British flag...

The reason why America entered WWII is the Japanese on Pearl Harbour, not their care for Jews

Not only that, but we helped the Germans kill the jews (and other targeted groups). I forget the name of the vessel but in at least one instance before American entrance into WW2, a ship full of Jews trying to escape the holocaust tried to seek refuge in the United States. Our response was to tell them to go fuck themselves and stay away from us.

Major American businesses aided the nazis all the way up to the end of the war. GM & Ford were using neutral countries like Switzerland to supply the Germans with parts to keep their military vehicles from before American entrance operational.

IBM continued to, through their swiss subsidiaries, offer support to the Nazis in the way of punch cards & parts for the Nazi punch card machines. These machines were used to track death camp prisoners, every death camp prisoner had a serial number tattooed onto their forearm. That number matched an IBM punch card that than tracked that prisoner for their entire time in the system; what camps they worked at, when they died, what medical experiments they were used with, age, sex, eye color, hair color, the whole 9 yards. These machines were also used to help track down Jews unaccounted for, and are directly related to the nazi's ability to kill off the Jews they targeted. The Holocaust museum in DC has one of these machines in their lobby, I know I've been there in person.

All these companies were violating US law, technically no less than treason for their support of the Nazis nonetheless our politicians failed to even blink an eye at it (then or since).


* BTW, I should add that there is a reason why the Kaiser tried to get Mexico to fight us during WW1. The Zimmerman telegraph wasn't some impulsive "how can I piss off the Americans today?" move by the Kaiser. Earlier during the war, a bunch of American sailors got in trouble with the local police in Mexico, I forget the exact details but it was a charge serious enough to warrant prison time (had it been Mexican civilians). They were released to our military officials when requested to do so, but Wilson was enraged over the incident and demanded that the Mexican military salute our flag with a cannonade (a major insult). The Mexicans wanted to compromise, for instance saluting both flags at once, but Wilson refused to budge.

American-Mexican relations went so sour that people in Mexico were deathly afraid that we would use American gunboat diplomacy on the country and invade, the way we had with; the Philippines, Cuba, and Brazil all within the last 30 years.

It was in seeing that, that the Kaiser proposed a military alliance against the United States.

[pattyboy]

that murdering liar deserves it

[african1]

Bush will go down as the worst Pres in US history, however we need to stop helping these other ungrateful countries. Fuck Them I hope Obama stops giving aid to all those countries in the world that hate Americans.

Lobbyist are scum.

Prophesying shallow statements like: "Bush will go down as the worst President in US history" doesn't only ignore the verities of the past, but also insults the historical facts that came to be true.

The spot of worst president of the United States, is well reserved for a man who threatened the existence and welfare of the republic itself. That man was Richard Nixon. We all know that the actions of this latter president created a constitutional crisis of unprecedented proportions when all branches of governments stood to fight each other. In retrospect, although Bush has bent the law in numerous cases such as the NSA wiretaps, Gitmo, and the use of waterboarding, he never ignored a ruling by a court when ordered, and he never overstepped his powers when reprimanded by either Congress or the Supreme Court. Something Nixon tried to do, but luckily failed in accomplishing.

The ranking of W. Bush in history will not be known for awhile, and squarely depends on the successes carried in the New Iraq and Afghanistan. The best case scenario would be that Democracy truly succeed in Iraq and sweeps all over the Middle East. Peace is then reached between Israel and Palestine. A new state of Palestine is created, radical Islam and terrorism both collapse to the ash heap of history with no return, and the whole region becomes again a beacon of knowledge, economical prosperity and freedom. Then we can all be assured that Mr. Bush will secure a certain spot as one of the best 10 presidents we ever had. If on the contrary, Iraq fails and deepens into a civil and ethnic war that spills over to the whole region, you can confidently say that Nixon's spot is in jeopardy. For me, I sincerely pray that the first scenario plays out.

Of course, there are worst presidents than Mr. Bush. Some names that come to mind are James Buchanan who hastened the start of the civil war by his incompetence and indecision, John Tyler who supported slavery and whose actions led to the Secession, Herbert Hoover who exacerbated the Great Depression, and finally Warren Harding whose administration was famous for extravagant corruption and limitless scandal.

In the end, it's useful to notice that every US administration was plagued by political scandals, whether it be the Iran Contra, or the Lewinsky gate, scandals come with power. Power always corrupts. It's human nature. Hell it has corrupted Popes before. President-elect Obama has not been sworn in yet, but his administration is already facing its first political challenge: that of Rod R. Blagojevich.

Now if you'll excuse me, I am going to drink some Malbec.

[yodajazz]

This just in; another view of the shoe incident.

[african1]

Man I am still impressed by that dodge. I am starting to like the man just because of that.

Bravo Mr. President!!!