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Thread: Transexuals in Prison?
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10-22-2008 #11
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For some odd reason I thought Sylvia Boots was out of jail but I guess I was wrong about that.
Also I was watching this other tranny vid and this chick who goes by the name of Foxxy said that she'd just got out prison and did a lot of bottoming for the guys in the joint. I don't know if she was kidding or not, but it didn't sound like she was joking about it???
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10-22-2008 #12
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IIRC, in NYC if one is in a city lock up (jail), trannies who are pre-op are in the male section, however are isolated in their own cells, unless another trannie comes in, then they bunk up. Rikers Island has a section for gay and transgendered persons.
NYS, I *think*, follows the same sort of thing, for persons who are sent off to prison.
Have heard stories from trannies busted for prossing and had to spend anywhere from a night or two in a NYC local lock up, to serious time at Rikers Island (one month to just about a year), and in all cases am here to tell you the thing to do is keep yourself out of either at any costs.
While it is true trannies and gays often are isolated in jail/prison, that does not mean things are going to be any better in the company of all trannies. If you are not of the "street" and know how to survive on the inside, many of those same trannies and gays can be just as bad as anything in the general population. Least in GP a trannie or gay and become a b**ch to a top dog and thus have some protection. Can honestly say don't even want to think about what that sort of relationship might be like with a butch lesbian trannie calling the shots.
Don't forget guards in prison aren't above pulling stunts either, so a girl can be in a bad situation either way.
Have also heard being in protective custody is not it's all cracked up to be because one's activities are more restricted.
Say if the trannie wants to take a shower, unless there is some sort of section just for trannies, the girl is going to have to wait for a guard to be free to escort her, wait and take her back. This goes on everytime anyone in PC wants to go anywhere. If there isn't a guard available, then tough cheese, one has to wait. There are some inmates who could be in PC, but for the reason above and others, opt to join the GP.
Overall various federal, state and local laws, along with court decisions spell out that while in state custody, the state has the responsibility to insure the safety and security of all inmates.
Thus a very feminine looking trannie with bosom and the rest is not likely to become the cell mate of any "man". Nor is she likely to be allowed to wander around the GP.
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10-22-2008 #13
Here's a post with and interesting perspective. She spent time in a men's jail as a pre op and a women's jail as a post op.
http://www.hungangels.com/board/view...hlight=#518626
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10-22-2008 #14
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Originally Posted by Shining Star
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10-22-2008 #15
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i recon your friend is the prison bike right now, it would be like tossing a steak into a pool of piranha.
Like a blind man at an orgy, I was going to have to feel my way around.
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10-22-2008 #16Originally Posted by NYCe
And maybe its easier to withdraw from life
With all of its misery and wretched lies
If we're dead when tomorrow's gone
The Big Machine will just move on
Still we cling afraid we'll fall
Clinging like the memory which haunts us all
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10-22-2008 #17
What you need to know about the Wisconsin § 302.386(5m), enacted January 6, 2006, also known as the “Inmate Sex Change Prevention Act.”
In bill form back in 2005 this was;
2005 − 2006 Legislature
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ASSEMBLY BILL 184
For further information see the state fiscal estimate, which will be printed as
an appendix to this bill. The people of the state of Wisconsin, represented in senate and assembly, do enact as follows:
SECTION
1. 302.386 (5m) of the statutes is created to read:
302.386 (5m) (a) In this subsection:
1. “Hormonal therapy” means the use of hormones to stimulate the
development or alteration of a person’s sexual characteristics in order to alter the person’s physical appearance so that the person appears more like the opposite gender.
2. “Sexual reassignment surgery” means surgical procedures to alter a person’s physical appearance so that the person appears more like the opposite gender.
(b) The department may not authorize the payment of any funds or the use of any resources of this state or the payment of any federal funds passing through the state treasury to provide or to facilitate the provision of hormonal therapy or sexual reassignment surgery for a resident or patient specified in sub. (1).
SECTION 2.0 Initial applicability.
(1) PROVISION OF HORMONAL THERAPY OR SEXUAL REASSIGNMENT SURGERY.
This act first applies to hormonal therapy, as defined in section 302.386 (5m) (a) 1. of the statutes, as created by this act, or sexual reassignment surgery, as defined in section 302.386 (5m) (a) 2. of the statutes, as created by this act, provided on the effective date of this subsection
The system then cut off hrt completely on March 13, 2006. Several inmates filed, and got a temporary injunction but it wasn't in effect until AUGUST of 2006.
http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:ulqRSeRqi0YJ:bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/pacer/wisconsin/wiedce/2:2006cv00112/39527/10/0.pdf+%C2%A7+302.386(5m)&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
Yet it seems that the law was still, for some inmates- being followed at least through another year... and in 2007 another inmate had to file a separate temporary injunction, and that one wasn't put into effect until October 2007:
http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:fskElgKEKQIJ:bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/pacer/wisconsin/wiedce/2:2007cv00928/44918/7/0.pdf+%C2%A7+302.386(5m)&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us
I can find separate cases were some prisoners were able to successfully join the temp injunction, but in no cases has this law been overturned.
The wonderful (<-Sarcasm) Wisconsin state government had this to say about HRT:
In the official press release announcing the passage of the Inmate Sex Change Prevention Act, state legislators skeptically characterized GID as “a condition in which people claim to feel ‘uncomfortable’ with their biological sex” (emphasis added); further, the legislators referred to hormone therapy and gender-related surgery as “bizarre treat-
ments,” “experimental,” and, in the prison context, amounting to “extreme prison make-overs.” Press Release, Wisconsin Legislature, Suder/Kanavas “Inmate Sex Change Prevention Act” Becomes Law (Jan. 6, 2006), http://www.legis.state.wi.us/assembly/asm
69/news/Press.Suder%20Inmate%20Sex%20Change%20Gov.%20Signi ng.1-6-06.htm
Then in August 2007, the trans inmates in the system with help from the ACLU and LAMBDA Legal tried to get this to be a class-action lawsuit. Being trans, the odds in the legal system were stacked against them, and the US District Judge involved denied the request, after arguing that some on the list weren't even trans (as if he has the credentials to diagnose strangers...).
However none of these efforts have born fruit- THIS IS STILL THE LAW OF WISCONSIN AS OF TODAY, don't believe me? Look up 302.386 5m for yourself:
http://www.legis.state.wi.us/statutes/Stat0302.pdf
See page 18.
I even made it easy for you all and attached a screen shot of the law (below).
So here's my commentary:
1- Wisconsin's state politicians have no trouble violating the civil liberties of trans citizens of that state.
2- You can't assume everyone in the system is there from their own actions. Innocent people do, and in the case of trans people- often, get falsely accused, falsely convicted, and deal with a sense of "justice[?]" that is different entirely from what "Joe the Plumber" would be facing for the same crime(s).
3- Even with the heavy hitters like the ACLU onboard, this law hasn't been overturned. As an individual, do not assume you'll be able to fair any better- you'd be dead wrong.
4- I can't even find anyone going out of their way to fight this bill as of today (Oct. 200, so for now at least, the law is here to stay.
5- If you're trans, don't live in Wisconsin. If you end up in prison, even if you have a clear GID diagnosis, even if you get HRT with slips- there is NO WAY TO KNOW if you'll be able to get hrt, in fact the odds would be against it, THE LAW WOULD BE AGAINST IT, and even if your legal challenges are successful, it would mean going off HRT for who knows how many months or years while your legal actions are pending!
And maybe its easier to withdraw from life
With all of its misery and wretched lies
If we're dead when tomorrow's gone
The Big Machine will just move on
Still we cling afraid we'll fall
Clinging like the memory which haunts us all
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10-22-2008 #18
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Riker's Island is part of the New York City Corrections Department, thus a local "jail" if one likes. Thus not just for those who commit felonies, but any crime.
Jails in the United States, normally are local and where accused persons are locked up either awhile awaiting trial and or sentence, or serving time for minor offences of which the term is less than one year. Convicted felons, those committed to serve longer than one year are transferred to state custody, that is to say sent to prison.
In many local areas such as NYC, trannies make up a good part of "jail" population because of the prossing.
Ever since Mayor G and his "quality of life" bit, all prossing arrests (along with other what were once considered "minor" crimes like fare beating, smoking a joint in the street, etc) are now put through the system, that is to say processed. Which means the accused will spend some time in jail. Could be one night, could be longer.
NYC has also developed something called "Community Based Courts" to deal with "minor" offences, which are designed to make sure that such things, including prossing are not handled lightly.
Again under Mayor G, there was a feeling in both government and the community that minor offenders were getting a "slap on the wrist" and dealt with lightly for many reasons, including over crowding and high case loads in the criminal justice/court system. Many times judges would either dismiss or deal with such offences lightly, just to free up the docket. Well not any more.
Community courts are designed to make sure the offenders are not only "punished" but can receive services if required.
Prossing arrests are community courts serve not only some jail time (usually overnight, but can be longer), but are fined and must do community service as well (just like Naomi Campbell).
Lately, perhaps in response to the "explosion" of prossing in NYC, LE, and the courts have been cracking the whip. From what one hears even prosses with first offences are being sent down for terms of one month (30 days), up to a year upon conviction.
As for closing gay/trannie sections and moving such persons into the GP, it sort of makes sense and can be blamed in large part to the "gay rights" movement.
Think about it; years ago there weren't that many trannies, nor openly gay persons, at least not routinely involved in a criminal lifestyle, however today one sees scores of adverts on Eros and other places for prossing. Even if only a fraction of such persons are arrested, it represents a substantial increase in population. States and local governments already spend vast sums on correction departments, and like large businesses, saw value in merging "departments" to save costs.
It is not just prossing that brings trannies and gays into the system. There is a whole world of "thugs", if that is the right word of trannies that rob, assult, steal and everything else that goes with the word. The Christopher Street/Water front area of NYC used to be a quiet gay stroll and such, even with the prossing down by the Meat Packing area, but for awhile that changed when serious street types invaded and began commiting crimes not only on "dates", but anyone else in the area as well.
Taxpayers aren't going to complain, after all most think those in jail/prison have too good a life anyway at their expense.
Will say one thing about trannies going to jail or prison. From dealing with those who have sadly had the experience, it can be a life changing event.
Girls who thought prossing was just a "game" and took things lightly, have a vastly different view once they hear what the state calls them (prostitutes), and get put through the system. To those not expecting nor accustomed to such things, incarceration can be a hard thing to deal with. The hard closing of those doors and the clink of those locks is NOT a pleasant sound.
Be it in a local lock up or prison, the result is the same, you are no longer in control of your life for the most part. You go where someone tells you to go, when they tell you to go. You do what someone tells you to do when they tell you to do it. What you can and cannot do is under someone else's say so.
Some girls come out and at once change their lives, or try to, others for various reasons fall right back into the life they had before.
Problem today is because of all the mandatory sentencing and arrests, coupled along with the new information age, it is VERY difficult if not impossible to hide an arrest and or incarceration. For a someone already being the 8 ball, this can only make things worse. Within days or a few weeks of an arrest or incarceration, simply "Googling" a persons name or DOB will bring everything up, which makes finding a job, apartment, or even a partner very difficult.
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10-22-2008 #19Originally Posted by SarahG
Why give free hrt to a felon, that money should be going to a law abiding tg anyway.
Now some of these bitches think the state should pay for srs as well while they do time. Fuck that!
I was giving estrogen in jail... I got mine lol. Did I deserve it. Fuck no,
would I cry about it if they had said no.
No I woudnt
I would look in mirror and put blaMe where blame is due.
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10-23-2008 #20
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IIRC, by various laws and court decisions, if one is under any sort of medical treatment prior, the system must provide same. Things get a bit different when "men" who previously have shown no "gay" interest or such declare themselves to be "transgendered" and wish prison officials/the state to supply the required medications and medical care.
If one "Googles" transgendered in prison, there are many court cases of persons suing the state to force prison officals to supply the above, with various results. IIRC, there is an ongoing case in the Boston area.
Jail, per se is not that much of a deal, since in theory one will be out in less than one year. However if one is doing ten, twenty or more years, or even life, that is a different story.
Courts have held that prisons must provide the same medical care equal to what the local population could receive, nevermind if the inmate would be able to pay for it on the outside. Prisons have been forced or did so on their own to provide all sorts of expensive medical care, even to inmates who are on life or even death row. We speaking of kidney or other organ transplants, and other serious and expensive medical care.
In turn some states have responded by doing what is called "compassionate release". Which merely means releasing an ill inmate before his sentence is over. While in theory this may seem like a good thing, often it is nothing more than dumping an ill, often seriously ill person onto the streets to fend for themselves. Yes, state and local "welfare" is supposed to pick up from there, but that often does not happen, the the person usually dies of their illness.
It is a sad commentary on the United States, that for many inmates of state and federal prisons, they receive the best medical care in their lives.