Obama is finally busted for being a Socialist

[El Nino]

That on 9/11 we did not have adequate air defense coverage over our own sovereign air space is inexcusable. I can guarantee you if that was over Korea or Iraq we would have had no shortage of armed jets with which to intercept planes.

Ehh, wrong, there was an order for a NORAD standown on 9/11 per Dick Cheney. We had plenty of time to intercept. Plus there were drills that emulated terror attacks of the exact kind, at the same exact time. It confused response and made sure the attacks could occur. Chances of this happening randomly? 1:1,000,000,000,000.

I'm just making a detailed correction. I do like what you have to say though.

[Oli]

And to Oli, is that cogent enough for you? And to correct you Oli, I’m not a Conservative you blithering idiot. If you pay attention to my posts you’d know that. I’m a staunch Atheist who is liberal, conservative, independent, and libertarian all at the same time. I’m all over the map and embrace what is sensible in all areas, reject what is illogical and ineffective, and I don’t subscribe to “think tanks” or “group think” like you do. To do the latter is a clear example of inferior thinking.

If you can pull one of your past posts that states a liberal or moderate leaning slant, I will retract my characterization of you as a Conservative.

And will you answer the original question? Is not what Treasury has done a socialist move? Is not what your attempting to ascribe to Obama exactly what the Capitalist championing, Free Market, lack regulations Republican Administration has just done?

[Mugai_hentaisha]

A drive north might take you from Texas to Illinois, but it doesn't follow that it will take you to the North Pole nor does it follow the North Pole is the intended destination. To characterize a north bound trip as a dangerous, deliberate approach toward the freezing pole is just silly. [However, this aspect of your argument is not only silly but off the point: recognizing that there can be public property is taking absolutely no steps northward toward the elimination of private property].

Trish you are right to a point a drive north might take you from texas to illinois but it doesn't follow that it will take you to the north pole nor does it follow the north pole is the intended destination. But the route itself does start limiting the possible destinations and the North pole is one of them.

Someone said in the aftermath of katrina that the most horrible words that one would hear is, "Hi I am from the Government and I am here to help!"

I beg to differ slightly here I feel the scariest words in the near future will be, "Hi I am from the government and I am here to run your bank!"

After all look what the Government did with all the money we gave them in the form of income taxes, yeah trust them they will do an excellent job.....of Fraking us right up the ass!


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William

[chefmike]

That on 9/11 we did not have adequate air defense coverage over our own sovereign air space is inexcusable. I can guarantee you if that was over Korea or Iraq we would have had no shortage of armed jets with which to intercept planes.

Ehh, wrong, there was an order for a NORAD standown on 9/11 per Dick Cheney. We had plenty of time to intercept. Plus there were drills that emulated terror attacks of the exact kind, at the same exact time. It confused response and made sure the attacks could occur. Chances of this happening randomly? 1:1,000,000,000,000.

I'm just making a detailed correction. I do like what you have to say though.

That's a crock of shit, just what I'd expect from a shill for the Alex Jones tinfoil truther clowns.

[El Nino]

That on 9/11 we did not have adequate air defense coverage over our own sovereign air space is inexcusable. I can guarantee you if that was over Korea or Iraq we would have had no shortage of armed jets with which to intercept planes.

Ehh, wrong, there was an order for a NORAD standown on 9/11 per Dick Cheney. We had plenty of time to intercept. Plus there were drills that emulated terror attacks of the exact kind, at the same exact time. It confused response and made sure the attacks could occur. Chances of this happening randomly? 1:1,000,000,000,000.

I'm just making a detailed correction. I do like what you have to say though.

That's a crock of shit, just what I'd expect from a shill for the Alex Jones tinfoil truther clowns.

You're a crock of shit, do the research, asswipe...

[chefmike]

All of your crackpot Alex Jones tinfoil truther theories have been debunked ad nauseum. Myself and others are quite familiar with what you consider research, El Ninny. You must be cooking up meth in that bunker, El Nimrod.

[El Nino]

Read 'em and weep, asshole. You're in a total state of ignorance, or denial. I don't really know which one.

NATIONAL COMMISSION ON TERRORIST ATTACKS UPON THE UNITED STATES
Public Hearing
Friday, May 23, 2003
Hart Senate Office Building
Room 216
Washington, DC

......excerpt........

[[the following Cheney stand down order is confused for a shoot down order]]

MR. HAMILTON: We thank you for that. I wanted to focus just a moment on the Presidential Emergency Operating Center. You were there for a good part of the day. I think you were there with the vice president. And when you had that order given, I think it was by the president, that authorized the shooting down of commercial aircraft that were suspected to be controlled by terrorists, were you there when that order was given?

MR. MINETA: No, I was not. I was made aware of it during the time that the airplane coming into the Pentagon. There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, "The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to, "The plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the vice president, "Do the orders still stand?" And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?" Well, at the time I didn't know what all that meant. And --

MR. HAMILTON: The flight you're referring to is the --

MR. MINETA: The flight that came into the Pentagon.

MR. HAMILTON: The Pentagon, yeah.

MR. MINETA: And so I was not aware that that discussion had already taken place. But in listening to the conversation between the young man and the vice president, then at the time I didn't really recognize the significance of that.

And then later I heard of the fact that the airplanes had been scrambled from Langley to come up to DC, but those planes were still about 10 minutes away. And so then, at the time we heard about the airplane that went into Pennsylvania, then I thought, "Oh, my God, did we shoot it down?" And then we had to, with the vice president, go through the Pentagon to check that out.

MR. HAMILTON: Let me see if I understand. The plane that was headed toward the Pentagon and was some miles away, there was an order to shoot that plane down. -----[[notice the panel member is trying to coerce the witness to affirm this]]

MR. MINETA: Well, I don't know that specifically, but I do know that the airplanes were scrambled from Langley or from Norfolk, the Norfolk area. But I did not know about the orders specifically other than listening to that other conversation.

MR. HAMILTON: But there very clearly was an order to shoot commercial aircraft down. -----[[notice the panel is forcing a perspective that doesn't exist]]

MR. MINETA: Subsequently I found that out.

MR. HAMILTON: With respect to Flight 93, what type of information were you and the vice president receiving about that flight?

MR. MINETA: The only information we had at that point was when it crashed.

MR. HAMILTON: I see. You didn't know beforehand about that airplane.

MR. MINETA: I did not.

MR. HAMILTON: And so there was no specific order there to shoot that plane down.

MR. MINETA: No, sir.

MR. HAMILTON: But there were military planes in the air in position to shoot down commercial aircraft.

MR. MINETA: That's right. The planes had been scrambled, I believe, from Otis at that point.

MR. HAMILTON: Could you help me understand a little the division of responsibility between the FAA and NORAD on that morning?

MR. MINETA: Well, FAA is in touch with NORAD. And when the first flight from Boston had gone out of communications with the air traffic controllers, the air traffic controller then notified, I believe, Otis Air Force Base about the air traffic controller not being able to raise that American Airlines flight.

[El Nino]

The NORAD standown in 2 minute...

http://georgewashington.blogspot.com...2-minutes.html

Is your brain working ok today Chef?

[chefmike]

You're still grasping at straws to support your crackpot theories, El Ninny. Back to the bunker, slick.

[trish]

WTF you guys arguin' 'bout? Haven't you heard already? There was no plane. The Pentagon was taken out by a missile.

http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%2...Flight-77.html