So many gay references

[Azrial]

why are trannies so stuck on the traditional male/female identity/relationship????....i for one, would think that in going through such an ordeal as having the mind of one gender and the body of the other would be more than understanding of the gray area in between.

believe me, i feel you on the annoyance of the guys who say shit like that to you, it's obvious homophobia. but i'm honestly offended at the lack of understanding, for lack of a better word, for transgender admirers. beside the fact that you make a living off of them. it seems like many trannies seem to be annoyed at the fact that there's a sect of people who actually prefer them to have a penis.

you say tops and bottoms are "gay" terms, as if they don't apply to the transgender community. why? i brought this up in another post. why do people so foolishly view the world as black and white?? man/women, right/wrong. you got sarah palin on tv talking about the good guys and the bad guys, what is this a fucking cartoon?

sorry i'm flipping out, but i'm drunk and my sexual preferences are being questioned, much like your sexual identity is by those who discriminate against you. i guess you've taken the if you can't beat 'em, join 'em approach

[melissacarter]

why are trannies so stuck on the traditional male/female identity/relationship????

If you can't understand why TS are fixated on the essence of feeling like and being treated as a woman, then you don't know the first thing about trannies.

sorry i'm flipping out, but i'm drunk...i guess you've taken the if you can't beat 'em, join 'em approach

I ain't joining shit, and I prefer you wait to respond till you're sober.

[Lover]

What a can of worms. This one is never going to be settled in a way that we all can agree on.

You said: "I can never understand it. I receive emails everyday that start off with, "I've never been with a man, or ever touched a cock but..." Yea, thanks Jack for reaffirming you're straight. As a complete stranger and someone I'll probably never meet, I really value your complete and total heterosexuality. And thanks for the indirect insult. Because it is an insult. Basically he's saying, "I don't want to be with a regular guy, I want to be with a guy that looks like a girl, kinda like you..."

When I see a woman with a cock being complimented by a guy who loves women with cocks and she gets angry and bitter and insulting, she might be a good candidate for SRS.

When women reach a point in their lives where they regard most of the men who love them as "johns" (or in your case, "johns" or "fags"), their heads aren't in the healthiest place they could be.

I haven't lived your life and can't even imagine what it's been like for you. But as someone who cares, I hope you don't mind my saying that once you let go of the anger and bitterness and maybe even get to a point where you're actually thankful for those who love you, you will be a lot more beautiful to everyone.

[Azrial]

why are trannies so stuck on the traditional male/female identity/relationship????

If you can't understand why TS are fixated on the essence of feeling like and being treated as a woman, then you don't know the first thing about trannies.

sorry i'm flipping out, but i'm drunk...i guess you've taken the if you can't beat 'em, join 'em approach

I ain't joining shit, and I prefer you wait to respond till you're sober.

sober or not, my thoughts have credence, i particularly know they do because you failed to respond to my main point.

you ignored how i felt about your statements, consolidated my feelings into two short sentences that you only cared to respond to, and deposited the remaining ideas in the trash, if it makes you feel any better, that's right along the lines of every women i've ever dealt with in my life

[Lover]

For those of you guys who read Azrial's post above this one and found yourself thinking that a drunk man is easier to understand than a sober woman, it means you're a fag.

[Janie2261]

It seems like a lot of hot air is wasted on trying to put people into categories: TS, gay, LGBT, whatever. When you take this labeling to its logical conclusion, it is nonsensical.

Each person, if they are honest with themselves, is simply trying to get comfortable in his or her own skin. Maybe they like men, or boys, or girls, or trannies, or some combination. Whatever. There is no need to try to put a label on yourself or others. It just leads to disagreement and unhappiness.

If everyone would simply be himself or herself and let others be themselves -- without labeling -- we'd all get along a lot better.

[melissacarter]

So I think the men that say that, are trying to get across they do not like men, but are attracted to a woman like you.

It is understood from the get-go that these men are interested in women, and I understand their special turn-on that a woman they find attractive has a penis. If he were interested in another man he would not be drawn to me. They need not make that clear; all TS know this.

Man-to-man relations are entirely different from man-TS relations. So for the guy to bring up the distinction, it shows me he

a) questions his "straightness" (which is a joke, almost all of us are bi)and

b) views me as more of a man than a woman.

Now, this is how TS interpret it. So before you guys go on the rampage, just remember that- it's how we see it because we are in constant and unending fear that we are not going to be treated or viewed as a woman. We think to ourselves, "why is he bringing up his lack of attraction to men? He wouldn't say that to a natural born woman."

[Solitary Brother]

I can never understand it. I receive emails everyday that start off with, "I've never been with a man, or ever touched a cock but..." Yea, thanks Jack for reaffirming your're straight. As a complete stranger and someone I'll probably never meet, I really value your complete and total heterosexuality. And thanks for the indirect insult.

Because it is an insult. Basically he's saying, "I don't want to be with a regular guy, I want to be with a guy that looks like a girl, kinda like you..."

Fact is, as soon as I see the gay reference I know he's got a gay side. Denying it means it's there.

Fact is, we TS are NOT men. Nor do we represent some faction or subset of the gay community.

Fact is, there are many of us who resent and refute the association with the GLB coalition. Thus, the GLB"T" community now implies that TG are a subset of gay men, men with tits basically. Not true.

Personally, I want nothing to do with the GLB community (and I wish them all the luck) because, although they have political clout that could help us, ultimately we will suffer by being misrepresented in mainstream society. And thereby misunderstood. Then we will never reach our goals of equality as women.

Fact is, gay or bi is a sexual preference. Gender is identity. They are distinct and separate. And yet often taken to be the same.

Fact is, "top" and "bottom" are gay terms derived from the gay community. I tolerate those words in my escort business but I refuse to use those labels in my personal life. I view myself simply as a woman, and my man is the dude and that is that. As an escort I am TS. If he wants to suck my dick, hey that's cool, he can be a client but he's not gonna be my man.

Portions of this message have been made possible with a contribution from the John T. Macarthur Foundation.

Basically he's saying, "I don't want to be with a regular guy, I want to be with a guy that looks like a girl, kinda like you..."

If you look and ACT like a girl then for the most part you ARE one.
He isnt with you to arm wrestle or anything like that its because your soft feminine and girly.....ALL straight guys are attracted to this thats why Some trannys get laid.

[harryknuckles]

BEAUTIFUL STRANGER.

It is sad, how a few negative people can outshine all the positive people out there unconditionally accepting and admiring the TS community.

You make alot of judgements about sexuality. I'm not going to say you are right or wrong. What I am going to say is I agree with you that most people are bisexual. Individually dealing with it is difficult and how everyone goes about it is of course unique.

From my own perspective, I've always been attracted to the feminine form that has a male genitalia. Why? I don't know and can't explain. I find it sexually exciting. More so than anything else. Am I attracted to men? No. Not in the conventional sense. The male form does not excite me. Does it make me angry? No. is it confusing? Sometimes yes. There are many posts about this subject on HA.

I have great respect for all the transgendered people, dealing with so much ignorence in America about the issue of gender.
I think you are beautiful. Especially when you were in the chat room last night. There are many more folks like myself who embrace you than there are those who reject you.
I hope this helps in some way or another.

[francisfkudrow]

If he wants to suck my dick, hey that's cool, he can be a client but he's not gonna be my man.

This is the part I have trouble with. I understand you want to be recognized as a woman, but shouldn't everyone be able to enjoy receiving oral sex from someone who finds them attractive?