If Sen Obama was white

[lisaparadise]

Obama is not black

if obama isnt black then i want a membership to his tanning salon.

[El Nino]

Obama is not black

if obama isnt black then i want a membership to his tanning salon.

He is half black and half white. So logic would tell us that he could just as well call himself white... wouldn't it? Just because he chooses to call himself "black" doesn't make it so. As much as he would want to get rid of 50% of his genetics, it ain't happening. See what I'm getting at?

[trish]

Look. El Nino is a half-wit. Yet he claims to be a wit. Logic would tell us that he could just as well call himself witless. Just because he thinks he's smart doesn't make it so. Just because he would want us to think him intelligent, it ain't happening. See what I'm getting at?

[El Nino]

Look. El Nino is a half-wit. Yet he claims to be a wit. Logic would tell us that he could just as well call himself witless. Just because he thinks he's smart doesn't make it so. Just because he would want us to think him intelligent, it ain't happening. See what I'm getting at?

Trish appears bitter and definitely one of the mindless Obama flock of sheep, whom is dodging the subject matter at large by implementing personal attacks... again

[trish]

You sure know how to misread a girl’s intentions, El Nino. I’m pissed, yes. But not because I support Obama [after all I've left dozens of posts like this one http://www.hungangels.com/board/view...hlight=#547662 unopposed]; but because of your mindless, bigoted argument. Doesn’t it strike you as a little bit ironic, El Nino, that one should put forward such an argument here at HungAngels (a board populated with girls and woman who are genetically 100% male but who know themselves to be otherwise and strive against all kinds of grief and discrimination to live their lives accordingly)? Aren’t you just a little bit ashamed of yourself for being so stupidly undiplomatic? How can you be surprised that someone here might be just a little bit pissed-off with your little nazi scheme of genetic classification.

BTW, if you weren’t such an idiot, you would see my that my previous post did address your “point” (if you want to elevate to such a status) by illustrating categories do not generally have the discrete, well delineated boundaries that genetic definitions of ethnicity would impose.

[fitz207]

Look. El Nino is a half-wit. Yet he claims to be a wit. Logic would tell us that he could just as well call himself witless. Just because he thinks he's smart doesn't make it so. Just because he would want us to think him intelligent, it ain't happening. See what I'm getting at?

Trish appears bitter and definitely one of the mindless Obama flock of sheep, whom is dodging the subject matter at large by implementing personal attacks... again

I think you're talking about Palin, she's the one who attracts the mindless sheep.

[El Nino]

They both do. Two sides of the same coin! Technically though, Obama is not a black man

[trish]

That’s neither true nor false, because without a context “technically” is an ambiguous word. By the vernacular of the heartland (where I live) Obama is technically a black man. By the technicalities of another definition, he may not be. But one would have to know the technicalities of that other definition. One can’t just say, “to be black, 100% of your genes have to be of African origin,” because that definition just doesn’t work. By Leaky’s Out of Africa Hypothesis (which has been disputed but not discredited) all of our genes are 100% of African origin. Genetic definitions are appropriate in their context. But for political, social and cultural purposes biological definitions of identity are way too clunky to be of much relevance.

[El Nino]

Stop it... his mother was a Caucasian. Why complexify? He is a mulatto that is selling this Country out to the globalists, as we speak. Hooray for Obama! /sarcasm

[trish]

By the accords of common usage Obama is black. You hear a white grandmother in Pennsylvania say, “I’m not voting for that nigger.” Another woman from Iowa proclaimed, “I don’t care if he is black, he’s got my vote.” From Philadelphia to Lincoln Nebraska, from Chicago down to New Orleans he is perceived by the heartland to be a black American. If Obama should win the presidency, the history books will claim him as the first African American president, the first black man to occupy the White House. This is in accord with common usage of the terms. You know this. If you don’t there’s not much point in continuing this discussion.

There are, of course, other usages, more complex, designed for specific purposes. Ethnologists, anthropologists, biologists, linguists etc. will classify human beings in way the cross against the grain of common usage and against each other’s grain. One will partition us into groups that allow one to better study the propagation of languages. Others are more interested in the propagation of genes. Still others more interested in the propagation of cultural stories and customs. None of these specialists advocates foisting their particular definitions with specific purposes and intentions upon the general public. None but the most nerdy of these specialists will use his or her own jargon in place of the common vernacular when conversing outside his or her chosen field. So I ask you. Why do you, El Nino, find it necessary to “complexify” the situation and foist upon us your own particular conception of “black”; one you claimed just above to be “technically” correct, and one of which you have yet to technically define.