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Thread: Yeah Sarah baby.............
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09-17-2008 #51
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Originally Posted by lisaparadise
maybe you should be the one to answer the "what's he been smokin'?" question...
Nothing to see here folks.
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09-17-2008 #52
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09-18-2008 #53
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Originally Posted by lisaparadise
Nothing to see here folks.
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10-08-2008 #54Originally Posted by Paladin
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10-09-2008 #55
I find the soldiers video somewhat disturbing.
Basically he's saying that the reason you do something is irrelevant as long as the end result is positive. That's pretty scary as a political philosophy, as it allows you to justify the start of any action, and as long as you can keep it going you don't have to justify it, as you haven't reached the end.
Similar is the idea that sacrifices made justify unending further sacrifice. Do you save a fireman when he's about to save a child, well yes, if he child is going to die anyway, or if you are simply trading the life of the fireman for the possibility the child will live. What if the fireman has a family of his own he should be supporting, and the child is a suicidal teen running into the fire deliberately? What if this fireman is the second man trying to save the teen, the first having died... how many firemen do you allow to run in as the chief before you call your men out?
The point is its not as simplistic as 'we've given so much, we have to give more' and its not as sure as 'we just need to give another thousand lives and this will work' or even clearly 'we have to do this, because they can't do it themselves'.
Sean
Just one more nice guy finishing last...
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10-09-2008 #56
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how many firemen do you allow to run in as the chief before you call your men out?
Often being stuck in one place on the ground is the absolute worst place to be when attempting to gain an overall perspective on the effectiveness of a countrywide military/political strategy. Soldiers in Iraq will tell you many different stories (both heart warming and horrifying) and they will express just as wide a variety of opinions on the justification and success of the war (or lack thereof) as the American public at large. Both (soldiers in Iraq and the American public) are in fact largely negative on the war and wish to see it end soon.
"...I no longer believe that people's secrets are defined and communicable, or their feelings full-blown and easy to recognize."_Alice Munro, Chaddeleys and Flemings.
"...the order in creation which you see is that which you have put there, like a string in a maze, so that you shall not lose your way". _Judge Holden, Cormac McCarthy's, BLOOD MERIDIAN.
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10-09-2008 #57Originally Posted by Justawannabe
The soldier in the video is correct, in the fact that since we removed such things as police protection there, our help is needed to give people there the basic freedom of safety, in a nation charged with ethnic tensions. Some of these people have been feuding since the death of the Prophet in the 7th Century, over his successors. So it goes back to what are the benefits vs the costs?
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10-09-2008 #58Originally Posted by trish
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10-09-2008 #59Originally Posted by kimjongil
-Quinn
Life is essentially one long Benny Hill skit punctuated by the occasional Anne Frank moment.