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09-06-2008 #21
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Originally Posted by SarahG
Actually Sarah G...
Secession really isnt as closed as one might think. The door seems to still be open for a single state to secede by mutual agreement with the government. Read for yourselfs.
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dorf/20041124.html
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09-06-2008 #22Originally Posted by Stoked
Texas v. White is settled law. It stands for the proposition that the Constitution prohibits unilateral secession
Do you expect permission to be granted for Alaska to secede? Even if the theory supports that it is possible, there is a clear difference between law theory & reality... and this is one of those times. Even if this Alaska interest group had support from the majority of the Alaskan population, it still wouldn't be able to actually secede.
The reason why I said Palin, and not Palin's husband, in my last post was because Palin herself has a history with this group even if it is not formal affiliation (like in her Husband's case).
And maybe its easier to withdraw from life
With all of its misery and wretched lies
If we're dead when tomorrow's gone
The Big Machine will just move on
Still we cling afraid we'll fall
Clinging like the memory which haunts us all
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09-06-2008 #23
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Originally Posted by SarahG
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09-06-2008 #24
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Regardless of whether it by permission or not, you have to admit that seceding from the United States is UnAmerican.
"...I no longer believe that people's secrets are defined and communicable, or their feelings full-blown and easy to recognize."_Alice Munro, Chaddeleys and Flemings.
"...the order in creation which you see is that which you have put there, like a string in a maze, so that you shall not lose your way". _Judge Holden, Cormac McCarthy's, BLOOD MERIDIAN.
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09-06-2008 #25
Not if the United States distorts into something that it was never set up to be... Then it would be "American"
Originally Posted by sexyshana
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09-06-2008 #26Originally Posted by El Nino
Or the disbandment of the freedom of speech & freedom of the press in WW1?
If a state tolerates an overbearing government time and time again, it really does a number on any logic based on the gov "going too far this time" especially when "this time" is no different from the past in terms of severity.
Think of it this way, with intellectual property rights- you can protect your intellectual property if and only if you consistently and aggressively oppose all instances of that property being used illegally/unethically. This is why Disney still cares about who uses Disney cartoons from the 20s-30s, if they let people freely use & distribute those cartoons (that aren't even on the market anymore) then they have a hard time claiming that someone has "gone too far" as soon as it happens with slightly newer material.... this is why the court ruled improperly (IMHO) with that Metallica-Napster case, Metalica freely encouraged people to pirate their stuff for a great many years, they can't suddenly change their minds when a new technology makes the methodology different.
Now before you say it sure, Alaska was not a state until 1959 IIRC, wasn't even part of the US until 1867.... BUT you'd be totally wrong if you feel overbearing gov activity was absent between WW2 and 2001... and a great deal of these civil liberty violations... you know, the justifications for seceding from the union- are exactly the policies Palin is advocating for. She wants a strong, overbearing centralized government at any & every time it suits her agenda, and her history with this group (in addition to her husband's formal affiliations) just go to show how hypocritical and un-American her view of the matter truly is.
And maybe its easier to withdraw from life
With all of its misery and wretched lies
If we're dead when tomorrow's gone
The Big Machine will just move on
Still we cling afraid we'll fall
Clinging like the memory which haunts us all
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09-06-2008 #27
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Boy howdy!!
"I became insane, with long intervals of horrible sanity." - Poe
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09-07-2008 #28Originally Posted by InHouston
Part of this country's greatness is that is let in a variety of people from around the world, who then contributed to the Amercian fabric. But now, according to InHouston, certain people are "genuine Americans, or real Amercians". That is a very dangerous slope to place a flag. And who is not genuine, Barrack Obama, according to him. I suppose Joe Biden would be genuine American, if he supported John McCain rather than Obama. According to the press releases, Joe Biden is supposed to be a champion of the working class. So that could not be why he is not a "genuine American". The old over racist's would call someone a "nigger lover" if they showed the slightess decency towards a person of color.
These coded terms help to perpetuate racist ideals without using the offensive terminology.
And another thing; that "real people" is almost up there too. Is that why the media cannot acknowledge the death of non-combatant 'people' who happen to be citizens of Iraq? We are not allowed to see them as real people. The media has allowed the government to call accidental bombing damage as "collateral damage", rarely acknowledging that the 'damage' often includes human beings. John McCain and Sarah Palin are real people. But what about all the other ethinicities of world?
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09-07-2008 #29
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Originally Posted by trish
As far as McCain confessing to war crimes. That is not going to fly. I'm sure you would have held up pretty good to hours upon hours of repeated torture. I thank Sen McCain for his service in our armed services, and I thank you too, Trish, for your service in the armed services!!
McCain never said that he didn't know how many house he and his wife had, but why allow facts to get in the way of your argument. Go back and listen to the tape recording of his statement. Rather than getting drawn into a ridiculous discussion he said that he would have his aides get back to the reporter.
Finally, why don't you read up on your God's (read "Obama") support for legislation that might establish a basis for Hawaii to secede?
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09-07-2008 #30
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If you confess to war crimes you can say, "Yes, of course, I was tortured." But you can't say I left that hell hole with "honor".
"...I no longer believe that people's secrets are defined and communicable, or their feelings full-blown and easy to recognize."_Alice Munro, Chaddeleys and Flemings.
"...the order in creation which you see is that which you have put there, like a string in a maze, so that you shall not lose your way". _Judge Holden, Cormac McCarthy's, BLOOD MERIDIAN.