Look out Democrats

[SarahG]

Her All-American husband was a member of the secessionist Independence Party, which wants Alaska to secede from the Union. As governor, she gave the welcoming address to the Independence Party Convention. Now that doesn't sound anti-American does it?

I wonder how long that "Civil War" would last...

[Stoked]

[quote="AllanahStarrNYC"]God- another reason why I don't go to Texas anymore.
After 8 years of a hick in office, this is all we need.

Glad to know she's never left the US either, only on Kuwait visit
and just got her passport LAST YEAR.

PINOCHIO PALIN

Her speech was FULL OF LIES.

THANK GOODNESS FOR THE AP.


Check out Pinocchio Palin's claims and the truth:

AND NOW... THE REST OF THE STORY....


Check out Pinocchio Palin's claims and the truth:

Shame on you Allanah, what part on you is growing?

By the way, do you believe everything you read?



PALIN: "I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending … and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. I told the Congress 'thanks but no thanks' for that Bridge to Nowhere."

THE FACTS: As mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired a lobbyist and traveled to Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million. In her two years as governor, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation.

THE REST OF THE STORY...
In the system we have now, earmark money is available, why shouldn't she take advantage of it? It benefits her constituents...
Alaska requested $750 million in special funding... first of all, i havent been able to verify that fact, except from the AP story, and if true, do any of you know what that money was for? Does it include the $400 million for the bridge? The numbers make this seem like a huge deal, but the details are conspicuously missing. "By far the largest per capita request", but the SMALLEST per acre request I would imagine. I can imagine the largest state with the smallest amount of people might have special needs in funding the infrastructure of the state... cant you?


While Palin notes she rejected plans to build a $398 million bridge from Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport, that opposition came only after the plan was ridiculed nationally as a "bridge to nowhere."

THE REST OF THE STORY.
While Palin was for the bridge, it as when the cost was estimated at $233 million and was to open up the area for exploration also, not just to connect the airport. The cost ballooned to nearly $400 million and administration officials told her the project looked less likely. That is when she turned against it, favoring less costly alternatives. Seems like she had enough sense not to spend another $170 million.


PALIN: "There is much to like and admire about our opponent. But listening to him speak, it's easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform — not even in the state senate."

THE FACTS: Compared to McCain and his two decades in the Senate, Obama does have a more meager record. But he has worked with Republicans to pass legislation that expanded efforts to intercept illegal shipments of weapons of mass destruction and to help destroy conventional weapons stockpiles. The legislation became law last year. To demean that accomplishment would be to also demean the work of Republican Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana, a respected foreign policy voice in the Senate. In Illinois, he was the leader on two big, contentious measures in Illinois: studying racial profiling by police and requiring recordings of interrogations in potential death penalty cases. He also successfully co-sponsored major ethics reform legislation.

THE REST OF THE STORY...
He authored not a single major law or reform.



PALIN: "The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes, raise payroll taxes, raise investment income taxes, raise the death tax, raise business taxes, and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars."

THE FACTS: The Tax Policy Center, a think tank run jointly by the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, concluded that Obama's plan would increase after-tax income for middle-income taxpayers by about 5 percent by 2012, or nearly $2,200 annually. McCain's plan, which cuts taxes across all income levels, would raise after tax-income for middle-income taxpayers by 3 percent, the center concluded.

THE REST OF THE STORY
the 5% / $2200 increase in tax for the middle class increase by Obama is true, and so is the 3% increase by McCain... BUT you will notice no $ amount was stated. In reality, the actual number is only a $1400 tax increase on the middle class from McCains plan. Yes, I actually read this report on the" tax policy centers" website.



The AP report also showed how Palin's champions have exaggerated the Alaskan governor's 'acheivements':

THE REST OF THE STORY...
The same can be said for Obama, and in the end the issue is irrelevant. Neither are particularly experienced no matter which way you want to spin it.



FORMER ARKANSAS GOV. MIKE HUCKABEE: Palin "got more votes running for mayor of Wasilla, Alaska than Joe Biden got running for president of the United States."

THE FACTS: A whopper. Palin got 616 votes in the 1996 mayor's election, and got 909 in her 1999 re-election race, for a total of 1,525. Biden dropped out of the race after the Iowa caucuses, but he still got 76,165 votes in 23 states and the District of Columbia where he was on the ballot during the 2008 presidential primaries.

THE REST OF THE STORY...
There are 50 states in the Union, not just 23 plus the district of columbia, .... sooooooo 76,175 / 51 = 1493.627 votes per state. That IS less than 1525 if your math is bad. Yup not quite the whopper you want us to believe


FORMER MASSACHUSETTS GOV. MITT ROMNEY: "We need change, all right — change from a liberal Washington to a conservative Washington! We have a prescription for every American who wants change in Washington — throw out the big-government liberals, and elect John McCain and Sarah Palin."

THE FACTS: A Back-to-the-Future moment. George W. Bush, a conservative Republican, has been president for nearly eight years. And until last year, Republicans controlled Congress. Only since January 2007 have Democrats have been in charge of the House and Senate.

THE REST OF THE STORY...
George Bush is anything but a conservative... that is exactly why he has no support among his base, and because his base doesnt like him, he has low approval #s. they see him as a tax and spend liberal, which he basically is. The rebublican congress was no better than he.


You see Allanah... in your world, nothing is as it really seems. Interesting no?

[Stoked]

Democrats have lost the election now. This is the real America.

You're probably looking at the first female president of the United States in the near future.



She's intelligent, articulate, and just a plain old ass-kickin red-blooded American. Unlike the weenies across the aisle in this campaign.

I had the same thought of her being the first female president, wouldnt that be a hoot. Still a long way off, it is hers to lose though.

And did you see McCain introduce his 97 year old mother who appears more able minded than many on this board? He aint dyin any time soon. What a smooth kick in the ass to the deathmongers.

[Buzz]

That's right Americans, be very very afraid! What's that? No fear?? Then we have a video to show you...



Pleasant nightmares! Remember, only *we* can protect you from nightmares. Vote for us, vote for us.

Sincerely, your Republican party

ps. Yes, we have no shame. So what!

[yodajazz]

McCain and Palin are real people and genuine Americans.

"Genuine Americans?" Wha? Uh? Where? Are you saying that Obama and Biden are not "genuine Americans?"

WTF is a genuine American? Please explain.

Definition of "Genuine"

1. real: having the qualities or value claimed
a genuine Cézanne


2. sincerely felt: not affected or pretended
a look of genuine surprise


3. candid: honest and open in relationships with others
a very genuine person

Being that they are Americans, then by the above criteria Obama and Biden are not genuine Americans.

Thank you for your explanation. This is scary to me. This shows signs of brainwashing, where people are not connected to reality. So rational arguments are mostly ineffective.

Who are you to judge who is genuine, when all politicians read from prepared speeches? I could go into the biographies of Joe Biden and Barrack Obama and their years of combined service, but I know that facts are not important to people like you. McCain’s campaign manager said; ‘This election is not about the issues”. Issues are based on facts, like how many people are unemployed, is one example.

I do not have the words to express how sad and pathetic it is that such viewpoints exist. You are saying that people, who don’t agree with your viewpoint are not “genuine Amercans”. The United States of America was founded on principles, as outlined in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. One of corollaries from those principles was that free speech and debate were healthy for our nation. But in recent years the respect of public discourse, has been replaced by arguments like InHouston’s. The “they are not one of us” reasoning is very tribal, and goes against the basic foundation of our nation. So who is a “genuine American” again? I don’t believe that you knew that much about Sarah Palin two weeks ago, so how can you testify as to how genuine she is?

I do commend you, InHouston for openly expressing your thoughts. But I am very saddened by them. People beware that this is classic "brainwashed" reasoning, devoid of logic, as other have noted.

[trish]

"I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending … and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. I told the Congress 'thanks but no thanks' for that Bridge to Nowhere." ...Palin.

Palin SUPPORTED the Bridge to Nowhere before national attention revealed as the pork barrel joke that it was. After all the finger pointing and laughing was over, she was against it...but she wasn't beyond asking for and obtaining the funds that would've built the bridge. Did anyone ever ask was Alaska finally decided to do with all that moola?

[PapaGrande]

Her All-American husband was a member of the secessionist Independence Party, which wants Alaska to secede from the Union. As governor, she gave the welcoming address to the Independence Party Convention. Now that doesn't sound anti-American does it?

Although not specifically authorized in the Constitution, it was understood at the time, and up until the time of the Civil War, that the States voluntarily entered the Union and could also voluntarily remove themselves. There is absolutely nothing immoral or unethical about secession. Even Lincoln at one time supported it.

[SarahG]

Her All-American husband was a member of the secessionist Independence Party, which wants Alaska to secede from the Union. As governor, she gave the welcoming address to the Independence Party Convention. Now that doesn't sound anti-American does it?

Although not specifically authorized in the Constitution, it was understood at the time, and up until the time of the Civil War, that the States voluntarily entered the Union and could also voluntarily remove themselves. There is absolutely nothing immoral or unethical about secession. Even Lincoln at one time supported it.

Right but we've had closure on this one since the 60s.... the 1860s.

Succession as a VP candidate in 2008? You have to be fucking kidding me....

[hippifried]

Is'uns we all gittin' ready fowa anuthuh "wah buttwin the staietes"?

JUBILATION T. CORNPONE
Lil' Abner : The Musical (1956)
(Gene De Paul / Johnny Mercer)
Stubby Kaye - 1956

When we fought the Yankees and annihilation was near,
Who was there to lead the charge that took us safe to the rear?
Why it was Jubilation T. Cornpone;
Old "Toot your own horn - pone."
Jubilation T. Cornpone, a man who knew no fear!

When we almost had 'em but the issue still was in doubt,
Who suggested the retreat that turned it into a rout?
Why it was Jubilation T. Cornpone;
Old "Tattered and torn - pone."
Jubilation T. Cornpone, he kept us hidin' out!

With our ammunition gone and faced with utter defeat,
Who was it that burned the crops and left us nothing to eat?
Why it was Jubilation T. Cornpone;
Old "September Morn - pone."
Jubilation T. Cornpone, the pants blown off his seat!

HURRAY!

When it seemed like our brave boys would keep on fighting for months,
Who took pity on them and ca-pit-u-lated at once?
Why it was Jubilation T. Cornpone; Unshaven and shorn - pone.
Jubilation T. Cornpone, he weren't nobody's dunce!

Who went re-con-noiter-ing to flank the enemy's rear,
Circled through the piney woods, and disappeared for a year?
Why it was Jubilation T. Cornpone;
Old "Treat 'em with scorn - pone."
Jubilation T. Cornpone, the missing mountaineer!

Who became so famous with a reputation so great,
That he ran for president and didn't carry a state?
Why it was Jubilation T. Cornpone;
Old "Wouldn't be sworn - pone."
Jubilation T. Cornpone, he made the country wait!

Stonewall Jackson got his name by standing firm in the fray.
Who was known to all his men as good ol' "Paper Mache?"
Why it was Jubilation T. Cornpone;


*****


Jubilation T. Cornpone, he really saved the day!

REPRISE ( FINALE ):

Though he's gone to his reward, his mighty torch is still lit.
First in war. First in peace. First to holler, "I quit!"
Jubilation T. Cornpone;


*****


Jubilation T. Cornpone, he really saved the day!


MOVIE VERSES:

History says that General Grant was pretty good with a jug,
Who went drink for drink with him and wound up under the rug?
Why it was Jubilation T. Cornpone;
Passed out until morn - pone.
Jubilation T. Cornpone, his whiskers in his mug!

Hearing that a Northern spy had come to town for the night,
Who gained entrance to her room and lost the glorious fight?
Why it was Jubilation T. Cornpone;
Old "Weary and worn - pone."
Jubilation T. Cornpone, he fought all through the night!

There at Appomatox Lee and Grant were present, of course.
As Lee swept a tear away, who swept the back of his horse?
Why it was Jubilation T. Cornpone;


*****


Jubilation T. Cornpone, a picture of remorse!

Dogpatch here we come.

[Stoked]

Her All-American husband was a member of the secessionist Independence Party, which wants Alaska to secede from the Union. As governor, she gave the welcoming address to the Independence Party Convention. Now that doesn't sound anti-American does it?

Although not specifically authorized in the Constitution, it was understood at the time, and up until the time of the Civil War, that the States voluntarily entered the Union and could also voluntarily remove themselves. There is absolutely nothing immoral or unethical about secession. Even Lincoln at one time supported it.

Right but we've had closure on this one since the 60s.... the 1860s.

Succession as a VP candidate in 2008? You have to be fucking kidding me....

Actually Sarah G... you are kind of wrong twice.

Palin's husband is not running for VP.

And secession really isnt as closed as one might think. The door seems to still be open for a single state to secede by mutual agreement with the government. Read for yourself.
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dorf/20041124.html