The people on this board that scare me the most..

[fastingforlife]

The core principal of the democrats is to take money from the best and brightest and give it to those who did not earn it.

The conservatives are not anti-gay, or anti-transgendered, or anti people of color. That is a dumb myth spread by very ignorant and uninformed people.
In fact, I find that the more conservative a person is, the more likely they are to have libertarian views. I have rarely found a liberal who respects personal freedoms. freedom from big government and high taxes.

It seems envitable that we will become a socialist nation where individual rights will be dismantled. Obama will continue the process of destroying what is left of the USA.

[SarahG]

Yes- sexual prefference can dictate political views when it comes to
'morality' based issues that this country is obessed with.

Exactly, especially when political factions CAMPAIGN on eroding reforms relating to that, and changing the legal definitions of marriage to meet their fictional revisionist viewpoints.

The democrats have a hell of a lot wrong with them, but at least they usually don't run solely on a hate campaign (people would have to be delusional to think that the 11 states to have gay marriage bans on the ballot in 04 were unrelated to Bush's re-election efforts).

We know from the bush admin this has translated into direct changes for people in the trans community.
-SRS isn't tax deductible anymore,

-it was ONLY under the Bush admin did the social security admin go around outting girls in stealth to their employers with "gender no match letters."

-We know as fact from the justice department's own reports that the Bush Admin tried to use gay rights as a litmus test issue to ILLEGALLY dictate the firing, hiring and promotional practices in the DOJ.

These are not all by chance, and no other administration in American history has a track record for that on trans rights. Not one.

If you (edit: you as in people reading this thread, this rant is NOT aimed at Allanah) were trans and you had to worry about being outted to your employer for no reason whatsoever, would you be viewing the Republican party in a good light? I seriously doubt it.

[tsmandy]

Poor people on welfare are an easy punching bag. For the last 30 years the right wing has used racist imagery and played on white peoples prejudices about lazy welfare queens, while simultaneously robbing the American public of trillions of dollars. Corporate welfare, the kind of welfare that Republicans have no problem with because it benefits those who already have wealth and power; drastically outweighs public assistance programs. The US is the most miserly nation in the developed world when it comes to caring for its indigent. Instead of talking about the tremendous wealth gap that exists, and how to lessen it, the media and politicians blame the impoverished.

Allanah brought up a simple question, how people can claim to love a group of people and then support policies that harm us?

[AllanahStarrNYC]

The core principal of the democrats is to take money from the best and brightest and give it to those who did not earn it.

The conservatives are not anti-gay, or anti-transgendered, or anti people of color. That is a dumb myth spread by very ignorant and uninformed people.
In fact, I find that the more conservative a person is, the more likely they are to have libertarian views. I have rarely found a liberal who respects personal freedoms. freedom from big government and high taxes.

It seems envitable that we will become a socialist nation where individual rights will be dismantled. Obama will continue the process of destroying what is left of the USA.

So McCain is NOT anti GAY?

REALLY?

http://rodonline.typepad.com/rodonli...rights-ca.html

He OPPOSED:
The Employment non-discrimination ACT that would cover GAYS
Opposed Gays being included in the hate crime bill THREE times
Supports Anti-Gay Marrige Legislation
Supports Don't Ask Don't Tell
Is Agasint Gay Adoption




What have you been taking darling, because I may need some in case I need a moment of dellusion.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

Poor people on welfare are an easy punching bag. For the last 30 years the right wing has used racist imagery and played on white peoples prejudices about lazy welfare queens, while simultaneously robbing the American public of trillions of dollars. Corporate welfare, the kind of welfare that Republicans have no problem with because it benefits those who already have wealth and power; drastically outweighs public assistance programs. The US is the most miserly nation in the developed world when it comes to caring for its indigent. Instead of talking about the tremendous wealth gap that exists, and how to lessen it, the media and politicians blame the impoverished.

Allanah brought up a simple question, how people can claim to love a group of people and then support policies that harm us?

Thank you.

[SarahG]

The Employment non-discrimination ACT that would cover GAYS

I do have to take issue to that one, when HRC took trans rights off that bill, all the groups that did care about trans rights went around telling everyone in congress not to support the bill.

Having no enda was better than having one w/out trans inclusion.

The reason for this is everytime we get the "well, we can always include the trans people later" it never ever ever happens because we're such a small demographic that if they don't take us along on day 1, we get left behind.

Otherwise I agree with mccain's views on the subject being well documented.

[fastingforlife]

McCain is not a conservative. That is very important to understand. Ron Paul on the other hand is a conservative, and is more representative of the thinking among conservatives, which is libertarian.

A big obstacle that faces the transgendered community, does not come from conservatives. it is actually from Liberal gay groups who feel that assisting in transgendered issues will only slow their goal of being mainstreamed which frankly I think they have achieved.

[hondarobot]

McCain is not a conservative. That is very important to understand. Ron Paul on the other hand is a conservative, and is more representative of the thinking among conservatives, which is libertarian.

A big obstacle that faces the transgendered community, does not come from conservatives. it is actually from Liberal gay groups who feel that assisting in transgendered issues will only slow their goal of being mainstreamed which frankly I think they have achieved.

How does Conservative equal Libertarian suddenly? Libertarian is a former Conservative with the "Total Nut Job" element removed to a large extent. They are not the same thing.

[SarahG]

A big obstacle that faces the transgendered community, does not come from conservatives. it is actually from Liberal gay groups who feel that assisting in transgendered issues will only slow their goal of being mainstreamed which frankly I think they have achieved.

I have said from day 1 that it was too premature to launch a gay marriage effort in America, because of the backlash it would create.

So far that has shown to be an accurate analysis. It was only after the issue in a few states went ahead did the gay marriage bans start (guaranteeing Bush's reelection by handing him Ohio) and with Bush in he has been able to make 2 supreme court appointments.

Now we risk having the fundies take gay marriage to the Bush Supreme Court, and having all modern reforms sent back 50 years with a single bigoted court ruling.

These gay marriage bans have had important ramifications for trans people specifically, in defining marriage as "between one XY man and one XX girl" it also defines sex status by chromosomes in the same breath.

Sure cases in our own community (Littleton in Texas) have done great amounts of harm, but the gay marriage spotlight is NOT doing wonders for our situations.... in a time when the powerful groups like HRC are showing -some- of the gay groups would throw us off the boat if it meant getting what they want in reforms.

[hondarobot]

This thread was rolling like a British Parliament debate for awhile there.