Supreme Court ruled today on the D.C. gun ban

[Paladin]

It does actually say "well regulated militia" in the amendment, after all. Hard to see how they could miss that.

Read the 10 ammendment

In addition, the term "well regulated" back then did NOT mean 1000s of pages of laws and regulations but rather meant trained and ready. And Militias then meant every able bodied adult male (16&up), NOT the national gurad, etc which only came into being in the 20th century.

It was a good and long needed ruling, by the same court, interestingly enough that the pres bashed recently for the gitmo ruling :P

[Paladin]

[quote=iloveshemales77]

which is exactly what they intended! But that was a while ago.

And you don't think that this modern government is MORE dangerous to peoples rights now???

[Paladin]

Isn't it about time we got rid of the 2nd amendment. I mean this IS 2008, not 1776, if I'm not mistaken...

uh oh...I'm gonna be ducking all those NRA bullets coming my way any minute now...

Dude, are you high on crack or something?

Goot reference, you knoe the German government in the 20 specifically disarmed the civilian population, the result was uncle adolf.

Also after an australian gun ban went into effect, home invasions went through the roof there!

[Paladin]

Get Educated

1. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.

2. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.

3. Colt: The original point and click interface.

4. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.

5. If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?

6. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.

7. "Free" men do not ask permission to bear arms.

8. If you don't know your rights you don't have any.

9. Those who trade liberty for security have neither.

10. The United States Constitution (c) 1791. All Rights reserved.

11. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?

12. The Second Amendment is in place in case the politicians ignore the others.

13. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.

14. Guns only have two enemies: rust and politicians.

15. Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace, no safety.

16. You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.

17. 911 - government sponsored Dial-a-Prayer.

18. Assault is a behavior, not a device.

19. Criminals love gun control -- it makes their jobs safer.

20. If guns cause crime, then matches cause arson.

21. Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them.

22. You only have the rights you are willing to fight for.

23. Enforce the "gun control laws" we ALREADY have, don't make more.

24. When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves.

25. The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control.

26. "A government of the people, by the people, for the people..."


"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not."
- Thomas Jefferson

Great minds think alike

[Paladin]

If you want teachers to carry concealed firearms, then you never had the idiots I had for teachers.

Even though the right of the “people” (which needn’t, until today, be read as individuals) to bear arms is guaranteed by the second amendment, very little is said in today’s decision about regulation. The first amendment has always been read as giving individuals as well as the press the right to speech. Yet, being an in force constitutional amendment has not precluded speech from regulation. There are venues where you can’t say George Carlin’s seven words without paying an exorbitant fine. You can be sued for defamation. You can be fined for false advertising. It has yet to be worked out what sort of regulations are justified by this latest supreme court deconstruction of a constitutional amendment that had been well understood for seventy years.

what are you smoking? "The People" ALWAYS refers to individuals. As I stated earlier, read the 10th ammendment.

[Paladin]

"well regulated" doesn't mean what you think it means. In the context of the times that the constitution was written, the definition of "regulated" meant "well trained" or "well drilled".

“Arms” doesn’t mean what you think it means either. The founding fathers thought arms meant flintlocks and knives. The initial intention of the founding fathers is not at issue. Their intentions can go no further than their own understanding of what an arm is or what a militia is or what a drug gang is. Every court interprets the constitution in its own unique way. Even near contemporary understandings are sometimes deemed irrelevant. This was the case today when the current court effectively said, “let precedents be damned.” Today we find out that not only is it important what’s written in the constitution, but equally important is who gets to interpret what’s written. The NRA might rail against activist courts, but today they are not so secretly reveling in the activism of the current court.

Again your uninformed nature shine through.

The American colonials were actually MUCH BETTER armed than the British Army of the time. (not including cannon of course which is outside the scpoe of this subject)

[Paladin]

Frankly: what can you expect from a bunch of ultra-conservative judges nominated by GW Bush?

The NRA gratefully thanks.

Don't forget that this is the SAME court the republicans bashed all last week on their gitmo / detainee ruling.....

[GroobySteven]

Ahhh - excellent. I love watching the continuing decline of America and how it provides amusement to the rest of the developed world.

Like a car crash in slow motion ...

[justatransgirl]

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[Oli]

No, no, no. In the U.K., while it is true handgun related DEATHS have decreased since the ban, all incidents of handgun related CRIME - shootings, robbery's, home invasions, rape ect have actually INCREASED approximately 300%.

This statement is not born out by the statistics.
Criminal offenses with a firearm-1996/97-13,874
Criminal offenses with a firearm-2005/06-21,521, of which 3,275 involved imitation firearms and 10,437 involved air weapons.
By my math 21,521-13,712=7809, a decrease of 56%.

http://www.nationmaster.com/index.php
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/crime-v...ime/gun-crime/

In Jamaica, in 2006 according to Amnesty International, there was over 1600 murders. More than 1300 of them were committed by someone using a handgun.

That's not what Amnesty said.
Homicide rates in Jamaica remained high, although numbers decreased in 2006. A total of 1,355 murders were committed during the year according to official figures, a decrease since 2005 of more than 20 per cent.

http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/ame...jamaica#report

People can make statistics back up almost any point of view, but only if the data is factual to begin with.