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Thread: Sex change operation... why?
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07-03-2008 #61
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DAMN ITZ BEEN 2 LONG SINCE I LEFT REPLYS ON HERE LOL,,, ALREADY FORGOT HOW 2 REPLY PROPERLY !! OPPS !!! XXXX
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07-03-2008 #62Originally Posted by londonrussianblond
Let’s look at a scenario from a post in this thread by “tightpussybitch”. A married man was cheating on his pregnant wife, with a male, as she was still male then. If he cheated on his pregnant wife with a female would her really be any better of a person? Males who cheat during pregnancy is not that uncommon. I am not trying to excuse the behavior; I’m just looking at the situation. A man and his lady are having regular sex and she gets pregnant. Either partner’s views toward sex could change during pregnancy. I know this from personal experience. And you’re left with a horny man, facing 18 plus years of financial support and many other responsibilities. Some men escape reality by having affairs during their partner’s pregnancy. I think that you post-op may still think that it is better for a man to cheat with another woman. But suppose he cheats and get another woman pregnant? The man may be decent enough to try and provide time and support for his other child. But that means less time and resources for both children.
There are millions of single mothers struggling to raise children. There are millions of children wondering why they don’t have a father. Some of those men could be classified as pussy chasers. Some of those children grow up bitter, blaming the absent father for their problems. To me, and even worse scenario is when they grow up idealizing, the man they never knew, and blaming the mother who was there everyday struggling to raise them, as the source of their problems. So overall, I say that there are more social problems created by pussy chasers than what ‘TPB’ calls, “gay cocksucking tranny chasers”.
I can understand that post op women desire straight men, but I do not think that it is right for a post op women to look down with contempt for a man the desired them before their surgery. Some of them helped to support them financially and were able to help them achieve their goal to become a woman, an impossible dream for some gender dysphoric people. And here’s another way to put it. Be thankful that there was someone out there to chase you. There are many lonely people out there who are wishing that someone was chasing after them. You had the choice to say no, whereas they didn’t have that chance.
And if some of those chasers no longer desire you, I say bless them and send them on their way. Desire that they find the same happiness that you want for yourself. That is the second of two commandments, given to us by Jesus. “Love your neighbor as you love yourself.” That is the key to ‘peace on earth’. I know this to be true.
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07-03-2008 #63
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I AGREE WITH U ASWELL,, LIVE AND LET LIVE,,,AND EACH TO THER OWN THO,,, (AND NO MEN PAID FOR MY SURGERYS BY THE WAY,, MY PARENTS PAID FOR ALL OF THEM,, )
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07-04-2008 #64
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Originally Posted by yodajazz
My only point is that guys who date female and suck cocks should be honest .
I for once do not believe humans were meant to be monogamous ..
I do not look at religion for moral as morality exist in all humans even in some animals .
There has been example of monkeys coming to the aid of birds who wings have been torn..
My whole point is in order for the next generation to be much happier we need to be honest with one another.
When I was a boy I dated married man as I point out I even had sex with guys who had a pregnant wife but I wasn't capable of understand I was about 16 yrs old.
I am much wiser I have transition had many phases I haven't heard it I lived it. I experienced it ..
The problem with gay cock loving tranny chasers they do not tell woman their into cocks,, Are you ashamed? If you are then why do something that doesn't make you happy.. if it does make you happy why be with a genetic female just to prove to the world that you can still fuck a genetic woman.. I find it to be pathetic and cowardly.
1 thing I am going to admit I admire open individuals. I have meet guys who only date shemales ,, The do not date genetic woman nor post op femme.. I admired then for the simple fact they came to the conclusion and are honest to themselves and the world of what they want.
I cannot admire someone who is unsure of what he wants .
If you do not know what you want ..Experiment
Experimenting can sure bring you to a conclusion of what feels good physically and mentally.
As transexual fetishes come into full force what do you see.. Men getting fucked now they are the bottoms who interesting. The ladies with surge breast are fucking dudes ,, Dude spread open like a black hole getting pump and wanting bigger bigger cocks and you say this is straight. come on lets stop trying to sugar code the reality for gay tranny chasers.. It is what it is.
if we distinguish between genetic female and none.. Gay and straight,,
between pre op (transexual) and post op ( pussysexuals) why do we say gay tranny chasers that suck dick,, jerk cocks, get fucked are straight when we know the reality is that they are NOT.
If it such an infactuation with straight when in reality theres not that many straight in this world. Most humans as animals are bisexuals.
male dolphins mate with male dolphins.. so do some species of chimpazees..
Unlike the animal kingdom we do not have different type of species most we have is two sexual genders ,, Penis or Vagina..
if you have a cock you sucking a cock how can you say your straight just cause the illusion some times resembles a feminine identity.
I was raised by both my parents . My bio Mother and bio father. I was first kicked out by my dad at 16yrs and permenatly out the nest a few months before I turn 18 once I started taking hormones. I have a loving mother and father. My dad raised me to be strong to do for me and as much as I had wish I lived with my parents through my transition it made me stronger . I made good and bad decisions. But that is life is it about taking responsibilities of our actions. We are intelligent some more than others.
As a society is sad to see many single mothers I have friend who come from broken homes . I myself am planning to adopt as a single individual in the future .
People who come from single parents believe your hurting the child by not giving them a both parents. I came from two parents who love me. most important thing a person can have in this life time is the unconditional love of his/her mother or father. I had my mother. She is my god. My father is ok he give me advice he push me to go to college he said I can not be a hooker my whole life this was 3 years ago I about to graduate with my bachelor.
Even my sister in law thats works in a high school tells me stories of students failing and their mothers do not know til is to late .
since this students come from a single mother is hard for her to be on top of their education. Who is to blame ,, No simple answer.
Instead of pointing the finger we need to identify the problem and try to find solutions .
We need to let young adults know that having an education is but the most important thing one can have.
But what do we do. We pay millions of money to Basketball players,baseball, Hip hop artist, movie stars what message are we sending to this kids.
Men need to be held responsible for their actions if they have kids pay for child support.
As low income americans or middle class we know that life is a little harder than those born with a silver spoon.
As to religion It should be off this forums.. Religion is nothing but poison to society. Humans are capable beings ,, who can rationalize .
common sense is innate. Some choose not exercise it.
This topic was started by who a gay tranny chaser stating why have a sex change. So do not come tell us to let them go when it is those fags who come here and stir it up.
I am here to speak for myself . I am not here looking for a man. I am here to speak for pussy bitches like me. We are a minority within a minority but we will not let you put us down. We have something none of you guys have and thats self determination.
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07-04-2008 #65
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Originally Posted by yodajazz
Actions speak louder than words, The good things I have done I do them because is in me. Not to prove a point but been in a forum that is based on purely sexual gratification is nice to see point of positive things for been a better person. I am truly grateful of my clients .
From the tranny chasers to the straight men . But I know that is was a mutual exchange is wasn't for nothing.
My views of marriage are observational for I have never been married but seeing many married guys I can make an opinion even though only they know why their marry and miserable.
I for once rather be alone that been in a marriage for companion but then again I am young maybe when I get older my mentality might change.
This thread has not had the many negative hatred ideology towards pussysexuals simply because we have been on top of it before it gets out of hand. AS to luccas stating that we need to compete in a pool of genetic pussy that was not his statement. He said why go with a post op for that go with a genetic female. There by making new born femme pussysexuals are inferior where if a person is with you is because he likes your personality your self not just your genitalia. That was his point. He was thinking if he goes with tgirls is for their cock so why go with a nbf if she has a new pussy (thereby lack of a penis) He was been hateful.
I respect people having fantasies I do not want to be part of his fantasy that is based on a cock attacked to a girl.
What is it that a shemale has that a female does not . A penis
guys who go with tgirl even if they claim they do not like penis are simply lying. You want that extra part there other wise you would be satisfied either visually of sexually.
I understand some of you guys do not like men but you date some girls that look like men. Not all tladies are feminine nor passable .
I RESPECT YOU FOR BEEN HONEST.
I ALSO AGREE TO SOME POINT WITH YOU.
IF GUYS WHO ARE INTO TRANNY DO NOT FALL IN THE GAY TRANNY CHASER CATEGORY THEN THEY FALL IN THE BISEXUAL .
IF YOUR INTO BOTH SEX your Bisexual .
I'm also Bisexual.
Guys say they are straight because they try to push this ideology why dont say I am a top. I am versatile . I am bottom. Why straight if your STRAIGHT WHY R U IN A FORUM LOOKING FOR COCK.
I'm for trying new things in the bedroom to bring spice to a marriage.
A lot of woman in the forums are tired of tranny chasers even the girls who don't have a pussy .
ask yourself why.
could it be the extreme cock fetish.
We ladies love dick more than you but we do not go to the extreme for a piece of dick.
You cannot have a conversation with a gay tranny chaser already asking how big is it. It is fully functional. Do you cum.
how can you say is not the cock that brings you here. I help my girls with the phone calls when they are on tour and all tricks ask how big is it , are you fully functional,, do you cum. wHAT HAPPEn to the surprise if your not into cock.
I dont even ask guys how big there dick is when I meet then I hope is big but I dont ask I find out.
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07-04-2008 #66
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GURL,, I LOVE IT,, PUSSYSEXUAL!! I NEVA HEARD THAT 1 B4!! SO IM A PUSSYSEXUAL LOL,, LOVES IT!!! AND U BRING UP ALOT OF HONEST POINTS,,, HMMMMMMMMM,, I WONDER IF THE COCKCHASERS WILL AGREE THO,,,
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07-07-2008 #67Originally Posted by tghtpussybitch
Before I go any further I was to say that I respect your values and accomplishments in education. I believe that many others in the t community respect you also. And since you are in college, I can try to talk to you on a college level.
That being said the biggest issue I have with you, is your use of the term “gay cock loving tranny chaser”. You have used it repeatedly, so I understand that the term itself, fits in with your overall views of sexuality. However that term carries such negative meaning (or connotations) that I felt forced to examine my entire life to see if I fit into that category by your definition. I have lived a long time so that was a lot of work (lol!).I decided that I was not one, but then I don’t know of anyone who would use that term to describe themselves. The bottom line is that everyone deserves to be treated with dignity for who they are. And who they are is who they define themselves to be. Now if they harm another person, that’s another story.
I must add that when you used the term “cock fetish”, I understood exactly what you mean in terms of negative connotations. Very few people want to be a fetish object. Most all people want to be appreciated for their total self. The term “cock fetish’ is a more clinical term and does not have the emotional baggage of “Gay cock loving tranny chaser”. So I say that it is okay to use the term, “cock fetish”.
You have defined yourself as bisexual and said that you do not believe in monogamy. This seems to me that you then have a lifetime to choose either sex as a partner, and you did not exclude pre-op. However, you say that you despise other people who can’t choose between pre-op women and women with pussies. So you think other people are “pathetic and cowardly” for doing what you feel is ok for your self to do. I would say your position is hypocritical. And speaking being hypocritical, a poster here who knew all the girls and socialized at the clubs with them for many years, once told a story here. He said that some of the same girls that sat around complaining about tranny chasers, were dating other girls themselves.
And you feel particularly upset that men who like pre ops call them selves straight. You have make yourself very clear on that. I would define most as bisexual. I suggest that you think about using this term. It is much more neutral in terms of values and more accurate than “gay cock chasing tranny chasers”. I think that there are people that would want to fight you physically for calling them that name. I think the respectful thing is to let people define themselves, even though you may believe differently. As a post-op woman, you have asked the world to define you as you define yourself, a woman. I whole heartedly agree with this. Other trans women are non-op and feel that they are women also. My position is to let them define themselves. Transsexual women have asked humanity to expand the concept of women which has been around for thousands of years to include women that were not born with female genitalia. So if the concept of ‘woman’ is being expanded, why not the concept of straight?
Let’s look at this from a college level perspective. The term straight, while appearing to be a simple, is really an ‘umbrella’ term covering a wide range of sexual activities, and behaviors. The word is really closer to words that mean general directions, like ‘east or west’, than a word which defines specific behaviors. I could bring up dozens of examples of people who say they are straight. One would be men in prison, who consider themselves straight have relations with other men, saying that there are no women available. Then they do resume their relations with women when they get out. I think a man who is with a woman with a strap on, would still consider himself to be straight. What about someone who experiments, with gay sex and decides they don’t like it? Someone else might have had a full blown gay relationship but feel guilty and decide to only have ‘straight” relationships. If someone asks them their sexual orientation they would probably say straight. What they really mean is, “I am straight now, but I have not always been straight.” But usually when people ask a person’s sexual orientation they are looking for a simple answer, not the person’s life history. When the question is asked about orientation, many people do not distinguish orientation from practice. As for myself, I could say that I am bisexual in orientation, because I like women and pre-op transsexual, but in practice I am monogamous to a woman. So I could still say the sex I practice is ‘straight’. So my point is people who have performed actions that others might consider gay, still consider themselves straight, not just ‘tranny chasers’.
The term bisexual is in reality very complicated. Even more so than the term ‘straight’. Most people think that it means liking both males and females equally. But I would define it as a wide range of behaviors also. So most people would misunderstand, if other people told them that they were bisexual. Anyone using sexual terms has to understand the person they are talking to level of sophistication. So why use terms that people would misinterpret? What I am saying that if all trans lovers said they were bisexual, a lot of people would still misunderstand. I have a good friend who is gay. I have known him for many years. I told him of my attraction for transsexuals years ago and even showed him pictures from the internet. I told that I was bisexual for liking transsexuals and women. Just recently he said something about me liking men, because I told him I was bisexual. I set him straight. The point is, he forgot what I have said many times, and used his own interpretation of the term. He never saw me with a man, and I have never even said something like, a certain man was attractive or anything. But likewise I misunderstood him, because of something he said, thinking that he might really be bisexual, and get with a woman. He set me straight, so to speak, that he only likes men (masculine men).
So my point is, why get so upset over men calling themselves straight, when the term is really not that useful a description anyway? I say let people define themselves with what ever label thy wish to use. You are free to have your own opinion and act accordingly in your personal relations. But to come on here and judge people as being pathetic, and cowardly brings to whole community down. After reading your posts I started to really question if it is worth coming here to be insulted. This place is here for a people from all walks of life to be free to share our desires and to talk not only about sex, but anything we want to. Instead the pussy posse has joined their former tormentors calling people names. Were those insecure adolescents right all along? Or is human sexuality in reality more complicated than the three boxes we are given to choose?
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07-15-2008 #68
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To get back to the original topic, some t-women desire to be complete women, and sometimes the men they are with also want them that way. That is why some t-women have SRS and are post-op.
..... hi you handsome masculine men;
.....i'm a beautiful, feminine pre-op transexual lady,
38-24-36,
........with long, silky blonde hair,
in my sensual chiffon skirt, 'hose, and high heels.
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07-15-2008 #69
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Some men like both genetic women and post-op transwomen.
Some men like the idea that the beautiful feminine post-op lady they are with, was once a man, but with female hormones, facial feminization surgery, breast implants, etc., has been made into a gorgeous feminine lady.
..... hi you handsome masculine men;
.....i'm a beautiful, feminine pre-op transexual lady,
38-24-36,
........with long, silky blonde hair,
in my sensual chiffon skirt, 'hose, and high heels.
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07-15-2008 #70
Re: Sex change operation... why?
Originally Posted by luccas
There is this one guy I know, really nice uncreepy guy, into tgirls, chaser and all that... but he has absolutely no interest in seeing, touching, or otherwise dealing with the girl's preop-equipment.
I've talked to him about it quite a bit, because at first I thought either he was lying out of some kind of "I am not gay" denial mindset, or something along those lines but its more like he has either a fetish or an idealistic desire to meet some tgirl whose personality he likes, form a LTR, see her through her whole transition including srs, get married and "live happily ever after." Realistic ambitions or not, its a lot tamer and less destructive than alot of peoples' fetishes & dreams.
I do not fully understand it, but it makes some sense. I have known so many gg's who really don't appreciate what they have with their bodies at all. One of my best friends is a stripper, her body is where she gets her money and yet when she's not working she doesn't do a thing for her body in terms of upkeep. No skin maintenance routine, really baggy ugly cheap clothes, never any makeup, bad haircuts- she could and would look miles better if she put even a tiny amount of effort into it. Now this guy I was talking about, he sees ggs like that and thinks (rightly or not) that tgirls, even postop are going to be less likely to do stuff like that because they know you're only young once, and if you don't take care of your face, skin, etc its going to come back to hurt you later.
But if a guy is looking for girls JUST for no questions asked informal vaginal sex, I don't see why someone would seek out a postop specifically. There are so many GGs out there, it has to be the easier way from a logistics approach. Maybe that's the reason (too easy, not enough effort?). I really don't know. I can see some guys being curious what sex is like with a postop and thus trying to find a postop girl to try it with, but that's another situation entirely.
And maybe its easier to withdraw from life
With all of its misery and wretched lies
If we're dead when tomorrow's gone
The Big Machine will just move on
Still we cling afraid we'll fall
Clinging like the memory which haunts us all