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[Tomfurbs]

Ah dear...Bessie Smith et al are building blocks, totally original foundation stones upon which modern music is built.

In my opinion, AW is a shallow copyist at best.

But because this is not your opinion, Macscreach, it must be blinkered.

yep...

[MacShreach]

Ah dear...Bessie Smith et al are building blocks, totally original foundation stones upon which modern music is built.

In my opinion, AW is a shallow copyist at best.

But because this is not your opinion, Macscreach, it must be blinkered.

yep...

I never argued that Bessie Smith was not a foundation upon which modern music was founded, not did I suggest that the others you mentioned were anything other than great talent, and I'll thank you not to attempt to put such words into my mouth. I did say that AW was of that calibre, and she is. Great music did not end in some halcyon time in the past, it goes on, and AW has the potential to carry it forward, if she can lift herself out of the pit of her present troubles.

I am afraid that to describe her as a "shallow copyist" speaks only of the limitations of your own vision, which, of course, comes as no surprise whatsoever in your case.

But it's all right, you know, you can continue to be a narrow-minded little arse as long as you like.

[Tomfurbs]

Think of it like this Mac (can I call you Mac?...ooh ta) :


There was a point in AW's life when she heard records by the aforementioned artists and thought to herself: 'Holy shit this stuff moves me...I'm going to make music like this'.

In fifty years time do you think 20 somethings will listen to an AW song and think the same thing?

For the record, I don't think AW is shit, I think she is insanely over-hyped, partly due to the paucity of current music...and I'm not some old fart mainlining nostalgia. I'm of her generation, and wish we had artists of the same calibre as back in the day, but we just don't, which is my generation's loss.


But, yeah...arse..and stuff.

[MacShreach]

Think of it like this Mac (can I call you Mac?...ooh ta) :


There was a point in AW's life when she heard records by the aforementioned artists and thought to herself: 'Holy shit this stuff moves me...I'm going to make music like this'.

.

Which is what EVERY artist does. They listen, watch, or otherwise learn whatever it is that moves them, and then take that forward to create new material. EVERY ARTIST does this. Every one, including the greats of the early years of 20th century music. That music did not spring from nowhere, even though the fact that we do not have recordings of it might make it look as if it did to someone who scratches only the surface of the matter. It is natural that the first recorded artists look as if they were the very first, but in fact they were continuing and building upon a tradition. Apparently you don't understand this.

Amy Winehouse is now 24 and is, hopefully, at the beginning of her career. No one knows what heights she might achieve (if she survives,) but what she has already achieved make her very remarkable already, and I am quite certain will be listened to in the future. To condemn her as a second-rate knock-off artist, as you did, just displays your own ignorance.

And you can call me anything you like, Furby, I don't give a shit.

[Tomfurbs]

She's had two albums out already. In the current state of musical affairs, that means she's two thirds of her way through her career. They are already grooming Duffy as her replacement.

In my opinion (which is not yours, and therefore ignorant of course) her songs lack 'soul'. That doesn't mean she's talentless, but she is working in a medium, pop music, that has been trawled over again and again, with most of the originality squeezed out of it.

Believe me, I understand how music evolves, and artists inspire artists, which is why a copyist like AW comes across as second rate. She is just recycling stuff.


But hey, you've got a whole mid-life crisis situation you're getting through, right? You need new music to make yourself feel young.

Don't worry pops, my dad is exactly the same way.

[MacShreach]

wank

Yup, Furby, when reason fails, resort to insult. Feel free. I'm sorry you don't have an understanding or appreciation of music, I really am. But believe me, sonny, the loss is all yours.

[Tomfurbs]

Hey, truth hurts gramps.

Fact is, she's a musical footnote.

Nothing to stop you enjoying her of course.

[MacShreach]

Hey, truth hurts gramps.

Fact is, she's a musical footnote.

Nothing to stop you enjoying her of course.

That would be in the book of musical history that you're writing?

Well, I've heard your opinion, narrow-minded and blinkered though it may be, and the only thing left to say is, time you grew up.

By the way, are you still pretending to be Scottish or have you given that up now you're down south?

[MacShreach]

Sorry, back down south?

[Tomfurbs]

Hmm, I'm kind of creeped out you remembered, and that you want to talk about me instead of Amy Winehouse.

Both my parents are Scottish. I've spent most of my life in Edinburgh. I now live in London because it is more fun, the girls are prettier and the money is better.

I cannot understand why you would give a shit and are so interested.

Since you've hijacked this thread, let's talk about you then, since I'm afraid you're are just more funny than me.

Tell me, do you reckon the poor ladyboy escorts who visit the cold gloomy climes you inhabit feel sated after your 200lb (hey, lets be realistic, it's more like 250lb right, or closer to 300 after a second plate of neeps and tatties?) frame has finished sweating over them?

You know that as soon as the door closes they're under that warm shower scrubbing off any memory of you, and vowing never to visit Glasgow again for at least five years ('cause you'll have definitely popped your clogs by then).

And Amy Winehouse is lite music.