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06-03-2008 #11
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It should be noted that no one candidate's specific program on health-care is going to become law. Health-care is a complicated set of issues that will have to be designed and ironed out by both the white house and the legislature. What's important is that the both democratic candidate believe government has an legitimate concern in providing some form of universal health-care. The prevailing republican philosophy is that it's not the government's business.
"...I no longer believe that people's secrets are defined and communicable, or their feelings full-blown and easy to recognize."_Alice Munro, Chaddeleys and Flemings.
"...the order in creation which you see is that which you have put there, like a string in a maze, so that you shall not lose your way". _Judge Holden, Cormac McCarthy's, BLOOD MERIDIAN.
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06-03-2008 #12Originally Posted by WendyWilliams
Oh, & welcome back, Trish.
"You can pick your friends & you can pick your nose, but you can't wipe your friends off on your saddle."
~ Kinky Friedman ~
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06-03-2008 #13
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Sorry for the double post. Here's some fake porn to make up for it.
"...I no longer believe that people's secrets are defined and communicable, or their feelings full-blown and easy to recognize."_Alice Munro, Chaddeleys and Flemings.
"...the order in creation which you see is that which you have put there, like a string in a maze, so that you shall not lose your way". _Judge Holden, Cormac McCarthy's, BLOOD MERIDIAN.
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06-03-2008 #14
Cosign with trish.
A vote for McCain is a vote for more of what we have now and know we do not like.
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06-03-2008 #15
Im not going to sit here and debate and or try and persuade anyone. You are entitled to vote for whom you feel is the best choice for your views, life, and health.
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06-03-2008 #16
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Wendy,
Are you sure you want to vote for McCain? He is against Gay Marriage and was against a hate crimes bill that would have included the GLBT community. He also is willing to spend 100 years in Iraq. I am shocked that any TS admirer or TS will support a Republican considering the fact that they hate the GLBT comminity. If John McCain saw you, he would probably say that you are a freak and an abomination. There are people in the Republican party who probably would love to imprison you because you are transgendered.
Barrack Obama supports giving gays & lesbians civil unions, which are marriages, but don't use the title of marriage. He wants to pull the troops out of Iraq. People talk about experience, but look at what the Bush administration has done with its so called experience.
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06-03-2008 #17
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Originally Posted by needsum
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06-03-2008 #18
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Obama could become the next David Palmer
I hate Hillary Clinton with a passion so I don't care who wins, as long as it's not Clinton
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06-03-2008 #19Originally Posted by trish
The thing that baffles me most when I hear people talk about Hillary's experience is her noticeable lack thereof. During her husband's two terms in office, Hillary Clinton did not hold a security clearance, did not attend meetings of the National Security Council, and was not given a copy of the president's daily intelligence briefing. She played a similarly underwhelming role during his time as Governor of Arkansas. In short, her claims of superior experience are little more than specious nonsense meant for consumption by the uninformed.
And don't even make me get into her exceedingly smarmy character (even by political standards). "I voted for it, but hoped it would fail." Are you kidding me? Talk about a litmus test for retardation. I say good riddance to bad rubbish.
-Quinn
Life is essentially one long Benny Hill skit punctuated by the occasional Anne Frank moment.
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06-03-2008 #20
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Actually, I told myself that if Clinton won then I'd vote third-party. It's not the issues, necessarily, it's the personality.
In 2004, I campaigned for Dennis Kucinich, might have gone for Howard Dean (although we assumed for a while he was going to be the nominee and campaigned against him) but just couldn't stand John Kerry's newfound war support (didn't he spend the last 30 years doing the opposite?!?*). So I voted for Ralph Nader (my ex-fiance at the time voted for the Green party candidate David Cobb, we argued much about this).
The guy I like is a Ron Paul supporter but I've got a whole list of reasons why I am staunchly opposed to him (not the least of which is my basic opposition to capitalism). He and I both hate the government, but for different reasons. Ron Paul criticisms. In brief, he's anti-gay, anti-choice ("pro-life"), pro-death penalty, and has dubious ties to other far-right personalities.
Only an idiot would vote for McCain, because 75% of the US realizes that the Bush presidency is a disaster (even if it took gas prices and a falling economy to make them realize it). McCain is very much looking for more of the same, he's not going to be the sort-of "alternative" Republican some people want him to be and that he's played on in the past. He's going for Bush presidency number 4 (1 Sr, 2 W).
I like Obama and I do believe he will help give people a voice. That's what the president is supposed to do. Bush proudly said that he had an agenda and he didn't care whether the people liked it or not, people said this meant he had "character" and "stood up for what he believed". What it really means is that we as a people lost much control over our Federal government. I do believe that Obama will, maybe not revolutionize, but definitely send the country in a better direction than it has been going in.
My biggest fear about Obama is that we will get our hopes up as much as we did with Bill Clinton and be severely disappointed. I also think that an Obama-Clinton ticket may get a large percentage of voters and "unite the Democratic party" but would be a disaster actually trying to lead with it. I know Clinton won't resign until the Party actually says Obama has won. We'll see what she says tonight....
* - What happened to his talks about people burning villages and skullfucking dead children? Then suddenly he's like "Look! I can fight a war, I was in Vietnam! I'm a good American!"