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    It should be noted that no one candidate's specific program on health-care is going to become law. Health-care is a complicated set of issues that will have to be designed and ironed out by both the white house and the legislature. What's important is that the both democratic candidate believe government has an legitimate concern in providing some form of universal health-care. The prevailing republican philosophy is that it's not the government's business.


    "...I no longer believe that people's secrets are defined and communicable, or their feelings full-blown and easy to recognize."_Alice Munro, Chaddeleys and Flemings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WendyWilliams
    At this point I feel McCain is the stronger on International affairs and has more experience. Therefore my vote is for McCain.
    Experience at what? Just curious. I hear this claim made a lot, & I can't help but wonder if there's any substance to it or if it's just an attempted meme.

    Oh, & welcome back, Trish.


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    "...I no longer believe that people's secrets are defined and communicable, or their feelings full-blown and easy to recognize."_Alice Munro, Chaddeleys and Flemings.

    "...the order in creation which you see is that which you have put there, like a string in a maze, so that you shall not lose your way". _Judge Holden, Cormac McCarthy's, BLOOD MERIDIAN.

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    Cosign with trish.

    A vote for McCain is a vote for more of what we have now and know we do not like.



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    Im not going to sit here and debate and or try and persuade anyone. You are entitled to vote for whom you feel is the best choice for your views, life, and health.

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    Wendy,

    Are you sure you want to vote for McCain? He is against Gay Marriage and was against a hate crimes bill that would have included the GLBT community. He also is willing to spend 100 years in Iraq. I am shocked that any TS admirer or TS will support a Republican considering the fact that they hate the GLBT comminity. If John McCain saw you, he would probably say that you are a freak and an abomination. There are people in the Republican party who probably would love to imprison you because you are transgendered.

    Barrack Obama supports giving gays & lesbians civil unions, which are marriages, but don't use the title of marriage. He wants to pull the troops out of Iraq. People talk about experience, but look at what the Bush administration has done with its so called experience.



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    Quote Originally Posted by needsum
    just like she was full of shit when she told us 8 years ago that she had no intentions of running for the presidency, you can believe that whatever source claims she is backing out tonight is also full of shit. She will ride this thing until it is not humanly possible for her to win, and then she'll still find a way to stay in it.

    But I hope I'm wrong . . .

    Politics sucks big time. I hate our 2 party system. It splits the country and allows the special interests to corrupt the system. What we need is the allowance of a party like the green party or the libertarians to have a fair, fighting chance against the big two.

    I disagree with more of the democrat policies than I do with the republican policies, but I am by no means a staunch right wing conservative. I would love to see a party come out that is fiscally conservative while being socially liberal. We spend way too much time worrying about trivial bullshit and not enough time and money on the things that matter.

    Wanna solve the Social Security problem? Simple. Take away the pension that the congress gets (they get full pension until they die, and they make a damn good salary while in office). Make them look forward to SS earnings when it's their time to retire, and I fucking guarantee you that the mess will be resolved.

    Anyway, I'm gonna stop here before I turn this into a long winded rant. I'm not a clinton fan. with me, her track record is just too full of switchbacks and BS. I don't believe anyone who has to change the way they address their public based on opinion polls--anyone who does that shows me that they don't really stand for anything other than winning and being on top.

    This is by far the most intelligent post on a political stand point. Career politicians and the constant battle between parties is what's wrong with the U.S. government. Alot of the acceptance of gay issues on the Democrat side is for votes and votes ONLY!!!



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    Obama could become the next David Palmer

    I hate Hillary Clinton with a passion so I don't care who wins, as long as it's not Clinton



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    Quote Originally Posted by trish
    As far as Barrack's experience, he's in his forties. He's worked his way into government from committed social service. He's intelligent and knows how to select a broad range of advisors and listen to them.
    I think it's important to note that Obama actually has more experience as an elected official than Hillary. Moreover, his position is owed his own formidable capabilities, not those of the person to whom he's married.

    The thing that baffles me most when I hear people talk about Hillary's experience is her noticeable lack thereof. During her husband's two terms in office, Hillary Clinton did not hold a security clearance, did not attend meetings of the National Security Council, and was not given a copy of the president's daily intelligence briefing. She played a similarly underwhelming role during his time as Governor of Arkansas. In short, her claims of superior experience are little more than specious nonsense meant for consumption by the uninformed.

    And don't even make me get into her exceedingly smarmy character (even by political standards). "I voted for it, but hoped it would fail." Are you kidding me? Talk about a litmus test for retardation. I say good riddance to bad rubbish.

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    Actually, I told myself that if Clinton won then I'd vote third-party. It's not the issues, necessarily, it's the personality.

    In 2004, I campaigned for Dennis Kucinich, might have gone for Howard Dean (although we assumed for a while he was going to be the nominee and campaigned against him) but just couldn't stand John Kerry's newfound war support (didn't he spend the last 30 years doing the opposite?!?*). So I voted for Ralph Nader (my ex-fiance at the time voted for the Green party candidate David Cobb, we argued much about this).

    The guy I like is a Ron Paul supporter but I've got a whole list of reasons why I am staunchly opposed to him (not the least of which is my basic opposition to capitalism). He and I both hate the government, but for different reasons. Ron Paul criticisms. In brief, he's anti-gay, anti-choice ("pro-life"), pro-death penalty, and has dubious ties to other far-right personalities.

    Only an idiot would vote for McCain, because 75% of the US realizes that the Bush presidency is a disaster (even if it took gas prices and a falling economy to make them realize it). McCain is very much looking for more of the same, he's not going to be the sort-of "alternative" Republican some people want him to be and that he's played on in the past. He's going for Bush presidency number 4 (1 Sr, 2 W).

    I like Obama and I do believe he will help give people a voice. That's what the president is supposed to do. Bush proudly said that he had an agenda and he didn't care whether the people liked it or not, people said this meant he had "character" and "stood up for what he believed". What it really means is that we as a people lost much control over our Federal government. I do believe that Obama will, maybe not revolutionize, but definitely send the country in a better direction than it has been going in.

    My biggest fear about Obama is that we will get our hopes up as much as we did with Bill Clinton and be severely disappointed. I also think that an Obama-Clinton ticket may get a large percentage of voters and "unite the Democratic party" but would be a disaster actually trying to lead with it. I know Clinton won't resign until the Party actually says Obama has won. We'll see what she says tonight....

    * - What happened to his talks about people burning villages and skullfucking dead children? Then suddenly he's like "Look! I can fight a war, I was in Vietnam! I'm a good American!"



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