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    Quote Originally Posted by Danny partridge
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    In a way it is sad many of the non-working trannie bars are gone. It would free up men who don't wish to pay, to meet girls who don't charge, and leave the market to those who wish to play the game. I mean with all the St8 and gay bars in the world, there still are GGs and men who are paid good money for escorting. Even the Internet hasn't changed things that much.
    You see it creeping into discussions all the time here: how many "all TS are hookers" discussion have there been because the only TS that most of the guys have ever seen are in the business?
    Oh there are non-working trannies out there. Just that so many are not comfortable with what the scene has become, they avoid going out to dedicated trannie bars, parties and such.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Shining Star
    Have said it before, one must remember not every top girl or boy is there for long. If one is ever lucky enough to attend a party at the Playboy mansion, you will see lots of "older" women who were "hot" in their days as porn queens, escorts and such, now basically hanging around for any guy to throw them a bone. Sure these women are only in their 30's or even 40's, but by industry standards they are old women. Guys want the hot 18 year olds from the Mid-West or where ever the new girls are coming from. Same with gay escorts/porn stars. Again visit over on Rentboy.com and other such sites and you will see some famous named models escorting. Maybe some great legends command top dollars, others go for what they can get. .
    You mentioned site like TER before: perhaps it's very different on the TS section, but in the GG sections, it's FULL of older girls (in fact it seems like most of the prominent female posters are older girls). I've joked that some of these girls had to become prostitutes because it's the only way they could get laid because if they went to singles bars no one would look twice at them.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Shining Star
    Oh there are non-working trannies out there. Just that so many are not comfortable with what the scene has become, they avoid going out to dedicated trannie bars, parties and such.
    Agreed. Like I said in the "99% of shemales are hookers" thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by Danny partridge
    99% or more of the girls on Eros are hookers, too.

    If your only exposure to transsexuals is through portals where girls go to advertise themselves, then yes, you're going to find a high percentage of them selling themselves. It's sort of a corollary of the old Willie Sutton "Why do you rob banks? Because that's where the money is". Try hanging out is places where none of the TS's are working girls and your view will change.



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    Quote Originally Posted by AllanahStarrNYC
    Danny I would say that you are indeed correct on your last statement.

    Unless you are pumped with Viagra, Cialis, etc- or NOT on hormones it is virtually impossible to get hard and ejeculate with every client.

    I knew a male escort once who was very busy and his cao was 5 clients a day because he could not cum more than five times a day- and at the end he was exhausted. And for gay escorts, cumming is a must.

    TS cutomers want a girl who looks flawlessly undetectable, smooth, feminine with a hard cock that shoots like Peter North. Now that might exist- but that is vistually impossible if you are taking homones and maitining your feminine apperance.

    As well for a GG is is SOOOOOOO much easer for her to fake if the guy is completely hideous to her or not turning her on at all. A TS can't do that.

    So I would say TS work is much harder, in the terms of preassure to perform.

    Cause all ALL of oyu guys know, you all have times when your dick just ont budge- and that is in a no preassure, cassual sexual encounter.
    This is why I haven't really tried to recruit TS for the cam sites* which I bug all the girls to work for us: a GG can do 25 shows a day, but a TS can't make good money even at the higher end of the spectrum (about $10 a minute) because every guy wants a money shot.


    * know there are TS cam sites, but a lot more have triid and failed than have succeeded. Same for the gay sites, except for some of the niches like bodybuilders who can stand an pose all day long.



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    I've heard about those houses off and or Roosevelt Avenue. From what I hear lots of those girls are part of human traffic rings, brought in to "work". Much as are other criminal rings bringing in Russian/Eastern European women and those from Asia as well.

    As for the Interent equalising things, well yes, your average woman in need of cash would die of humliation being seen say on a stroll, or going into a bar known for escorts, but running an ad is another story. There was even a character on "Desparate Housewives" who worked out of her surburban home.

    CL fits in well with part timers for reasons I mentioned before. If you have a reputation to protect, you probably aren't going to want to reveal your ID and sign papers for Eros.com or some such site. Just think of a situation where a woman is threatened with loosing her children and the husband serves Eros.com with papers. Mind you it does not prove the woman was prossing, but it does not look good for a "respectable" woman either.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Shining Star
    I've heard about those houses off and or Roosevelt Avenue. From what I hear lots of those girls are part of human traffic rings, brought in to "work". Much as are other criminal rings bringing in Russian/Eastern European women and those from Asia as well.
    While that does exist, it's is nowhere near the epic proportions that the unholy alliance of left wing do gooders and right wing Puritans makes it out to be. In fact, the NY Times Magazine article which pretty much kicked off the whole thing has been widely discredited as having the facts just plain made up out of whole cloth:

    http://www.slate.com/id/2094646/

    Sex Slaves of West 43rd StreetThe New York Times Magazine gets carried away in its investigation

    What is also being kept hush-hush is that part of the "loyalty oath" that Third World countries have to sign to get US Foreign Aid says that they have to "stamp out" the sex business in their countries. About 2 years ago, in The DR they closed all of the brothels in Santo Domingo, prompting one of the Supreme Court justices to ponder "Why are they doing this? These businesses are legal" (in fact, they were government regulated). In India, one of the best outreach centers for working women was denied aid because the head (a woman) refused to condemn the women who were being helped for being prostitutes. I could go on and on (yeah, yeah "you already have", I know).



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    Default I am sorry

    As the matter is *almost* done and out of consideration for running operations all postings were removed by the author/s.

    This is also my final appeal to stop all illegal activities.



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    you want a ferrari then you pay for one you want a fiero you pay less, simple as that. They both start with an F and have seats and tires but we all know the diiference.
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    anything over $150 is absurd and can be easily replaced with a $4 porn rental



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    I am someone who has experience with GG escorts, and one individual experience with a TS escort. Im a member of another board where we share and discuss info on escorts, about who provides quality service vs. lousy service, what the rates are, etc.

    From my experience there, it seems that the most "popular" rate guys are ok with paying is about $200. There is an acceptance to paying more, but there is also an overwhelming requirement from most guys that when paying $200 or more for an hour, there are a few stipulations that go with it.

    Most men want the GFE, or "girlfriend experience" There is a bit of interpretation when deciding just what GFE means, but in general it means kissing, multiple "pops" in the given timeframe paid for, and the highly controversial to this site "BBBJ" (or bareback blowjob).

    It seems that from between $200 and $250 there are plenty of GG's, whether agency girls or indy, who will provide this GFE service. While not breaking the bank, $250 is a lot of money and when spending it, it's nice to know that you can generally expect the kind of encounter you're hoping for. I don't know anyone who is OK with shelling that money out for 5 minutes worth of pumping and then leaving when he cums. To me, that form of assisted masturbation is not worth any amount of money.

    I know there are all sorts of people out there. there are those with intimacy issues who would most likely go with a "cheaper" girl just to get a nut off and then be able to leave without hassle. There are girls out there who charge by the 15 min, half hour and hour, giving these types of clients the opportunity to get what they want. I guess in doing things this way these girls are taking advantage of the current market and making the best of it.

    But for me, and a lot of guys like me, it's not about the sex, or busting a nut. It's a substitute for something thats lacking in our lives. I will go see a girl maybe 2-3 times a year when I feel the need to connect with someone on a deeper, more intimate level. I will research and choose someone with whom I feel a visual connection, but also someone that I know will take the time to talk with me and make the experience more memorable and pleasureable. I want to enter the room knowing that while I'm there, it's just about the two of us, and if I've booked an hour then the whole hour is spent in whatever way we engage it. If we have sex for the whole hour, thats great. But maybe we will kiss, fondle, share a little oral and caress and talk for the hour, and that is great as well. Again, for me it's not about cumming, it's about the experience as a whole. So if I'm going to get that intimacy, then I'm ok with paying a little more. I've actually been fortunate in that the last girl I saw was the girl I've been searching for. I've seen her a couple times now and have not ventured anywhere else since meeting her the first time. She comes to my area every so often and when she's not here we keep in touch via email. Shes a wonderful woman and we have a terriffic friendship.

    As for TS escorts, I feel the same way. If I'm going to call on a TS escort, my wish and expectation is that I'm going to have a enjoyable time, not just get a glorified handjob and then get rushed out the door. I've read many jaded viewpoints on here about how some of you gurls feel regarding escorting and treating it as a means to an end only. And thats ok, you do what you will, it's your life and you have to make the very best of it. Just know that not all of us out here are looking to just fuck you and split. Even if you are an escort, it doesn't mean that there cannot be some sort of a connection made and a nice, sensual time had between us.

    The bottom line is, for me, if you're going to be in this business and are planning on charging more $$ than your competitors, then have something to offer more than just a simply sexual few minutes. Because if you do, the guy looking for a quick bang will go find that CL skank or that streetwalker. Which clears out the slobs and leaves you with the rest of us, who are the guys you want to have as clients.

    Just my


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