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    Quote Originally Posted by Danny partridge
    Quote Originally Posted by flabbybody
    I have a personal threshold for what I'll pay for the company of a lady. It has nothing with affordability, simply my sense of how important I value the pursuit of my own pleasure.
    Here's a food analogy: I can afford to eat in any restaurant I want to, but why should I pay $350 for wine and dinner when so many places are just as good for $250? Same food, same service. As a matter of fact, my favorite restaurants are some very moderately- priced pubs
    But it's not the same food and service. You may not wish to pay for the difference, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Do you really think there's not difference between a $10 bottle of wine and a $100 bottle of wine and anyone who pays the difference can't tell them apart?

    Here's where this argument usually falls apart with escorts: A guy says "no girl is worth more than $250". When asked about some girl, he acknowledges that she's worth the $250 (or whatever price point you want to pick). The you ask him about some girl who is much better looking: is she worth any more? If he's not lying, he'll acknowledge that the answer is "yes". QED.

    Quote Originally Posted by flabbybody
    and to answer your question Allanah
    I think a tgirl escort should command a higher fee than gg 'cause the performance can't be faked
    That's assuming she's going to actually perform. Haven't we had the joke conversations about what "functional", "fully functional" etc. mean in the ads? Yes, a girl who is actually going to get hard, cum, etc. has a limited number of appointments she can do a day. But the flip side of this is that a GG girl can fake it, so you can be better off with a faked performance from a GG than a non-performance from a TS (and we've all seen that happen).
    Danny I would say that you are indeed correct on your last statement.

    Unless you are pumped with Viagra, Cialis, etc- or NOT on hormones it is virtually impossible to get hard and ejeculate with every client.

    I knew a male escort once who was very busy and his cao was 5 clients a day because he could not cum more than five times a day- and at the end he was exhausted. And for gay escorts, cumming is a must.

    TS cutomers want a girl who looks flawlessly undetectable, smooth, feminine with a hard cock that shoots like Peter North. Now that might exist- but that is vistually impossible if you are taking homones and maitining your feminine apperance.

    As well for a GG is is SOOOOOOO much easer for her to fake if the guy is completely hideous to her or not turning her on at all. A TS can't do that.

    So I would say TS work is much harder, in the terms of preassure to perform.

    Cause all ALL of oyu guys know, you all have times when your dick just ont budge- and that is in a no preassure, cassual sexual encounter.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AllanahStarrNYC
    The other factor is Craigslist. Which in my opinion is ruining the online escorting business. It's street prostitution brought online. The Internet was a place where the higher priced call girls where and the more upscale clients. Craigslist to me is sad. I see girls with rates of $50, $60, $80 which is just unbelievable to me. I recall when I first came to NYC the going rate was $150 for EVERYONE. Unless of course on the street. And the sad part is that GG usually still charge more than TS on Craigs! I just can't believe how much prices have dropped on Craigs- and the only assumption I can make is that street girls have moved indoors are on Craigslist now.
    I agree with your facts, but I will point out that CL is "the great equalizer". There are a number of both TS and GG escorts who go on CL for rates lower than they advertise on LC, so it's not just the street girls. For the street girls, it's the opposite: almost all of them charge more on CL than where they usually get their tricks. the guys trolling CL generally have a very narrow price band, so the lower end gets raised up and the higher end gets knocked down. But if the higher end girls didn't get desperate and go on CL for discounted prices, there would be no "ability" of CL to "ruin" anything: everyone would know all you could get on CL was low level street or street-like girls. But when you can go on CL and get THE VERY SAME GIRLS who are advertising on Eros, etc. for a lot less, who is it that is ruining things? I think the blame lies more on the girls who are doing the low level trolling than CL or the low level girls: they are just doing "what comes naturally".

    And that's really always been the case in this business: all girls look at other girls and blame them for guys wanting discounts. But the guys who want discounts always wanted them. When there wasn't a CL, they just went to 14th St 9or wherever). And a lot of girls who say in public that they discount girls are "ruining the business" are at the same time doing the same thing. there are tons of girls who's "rate" is $300 or $400 or whatever that turn some tricks for a lot less. Half the girls on the the Grooby sites have been had for $100 at some time or another. There are girls who come up to me at.... wherever... and want me to trick with them who I really have to bite my tongue to avoid blurting out "I liked you better when you were charging $30 on 14th Street" (but I don't).



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    Quote Originally Posted by Danny partridge
    Quote Originally Posted by AllanahStarrNYC
    The other factor is Craigslist. Which in my opinion is ruining the online escorting business. It's street prostitution brought online. The Internet was a place where the higher priced call girls where and the more upscale clients. Craigslist to me is sad. I see girls with rates of $50, $60, $80 which is just unbelievable to me. I recall when I first came to NYC the going rate was $150 for EVERYONE. Unless of course on the street. And the sad part is that GG usually still charge more than TS on Craigs! I just can't believe how much prices have dropped on Craigs- and the only assumption I can make is that street girls have moved indoors are on Craigslist now.
    I agree with your facts, but I will point out that Ll is "the great equalizer". There are a number of both TS and GG escorts who go on CL for rates lower than they advertise on LC, so it's not just the street girls. For the street girls, it's the opposite: almost all of them charge more on CL than where they usually get their tricks. the guys trolling CL generally have a very narrow price band, so the lower end gets raised up and the higher end gets knocked down. But if the higher end girls didn't get desperate and go on CL for discounted prices, there would be no "ability" of CL to "ruin" anything: everyone would know all you could get on CL was low level street or street-like girls. But when you can go on CL and get THE VERY SAME GIRLS who are advertising on Eros, etc. for a lot less, who is it that is ruining things? I think the blame lies more on the girls who are doing the low level trolling than CL or the low level girls: they are just doing "what comes naturally".

    And that's really always been the case in this business: all girls look at other girls and blame them for guys wanting discounts. But the guys who want discounts always wanted them. When there wasn't a CL, they just went to 14th St 9or wherever). And a lot of girls who say in public that they discount girls are "ruining the business" are at the same time doing the same thing. there are tons of girls who's "rate" is $300 or $400 or whatever that turn some tricks for a lot less. Half the girls on the the Grooby sites have been had for $100 at some time or another. There are girls who come up to me at.... wherever... and want me to trick with them who I really have to bite my tongue to avoid blurting out "I liked you better when you were charging $30 on 14th Street" (but I don't).
    That is true. I've never understoof why girld hsve different prices for different venues. I myself have never and will never do CL. Why? It's a bunch of time wasters, cheap skates, rude calls, and just crazy people.

    I think these girls dont realize that customers look at ALL the sites and
    the papers. Though I am not sure really high end guys are looking on CL.


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    There's an old line in the business that there are no $1,000 girls, only $1,000 tricks (OK, so I'm dating myself, this was when $1,000 was outrageous). Back when me and the other dinosaurs ran agencies where there was no internet, many agencies ran multiple ads with multiple phone numbers. The price on the ad corresponded with a phone number: so the agency had a $150 line, a $250 line, a $350 line.... but the girls were all the same no matter which line you called.

    While that still exists a little bit, the internet has put a huge dent in that practice. but the point is still the same: there are tons of girls who charge different prices to different tricks. And as well there are tons of guys who pay all sorts of different prices for all different types of girls (like Allanah talked about the guy with the polaroids). I know quite a few guys who get $60 blowjobs at underground parties and also see girls for $1,500 overnites.


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    One thing to consider as well, is that merely asking for high rates, does not always mean dates will pony up if one provides less than what is expected.

    Websites like SER and more importantly TER have given men outlets to do "Consumer Reports" on female and trannie escorts. Time was when a trannie would demand $$$ and give the guy the worst 15mins of his life, then turn him out the door. Now dates have their revenge and girls know that. Top rated girls command high rates because in part reviews back them up.

    OTHO guys have been known to blackmail a provider by stating they will give her a black mark if she won't do this or that.

    Personally think the whole escort scene is getting a bit out of control, and recent scandals seem to prove my point. It seems like everyone and their mother (or father) is turning dates. CL cannot delete adverts fast enough, LE is pretty much shooting fish in a barrel pickings are so easy and good. It must be hard for workers, especially trannies to eek out a living, more so if they are in high rent areas.

    For trannie escorts, the problem has always been there is only a finite amount of men interested in seeing TSs. GGs and even male escorts have a potential larger pool. Time was a trannie would just change her ad and be the "new girl" for awhile, but now with review sites that does not always work. Worse you have ( and I'm sorry to say this), latina trannies flooding the market, not just from south of the border, but many young girls (and some boys), finding out they can earn fast money turning dates as a girl.

    The other problem is that many men who see trannies have little or no brand loyalty. While some may dream of being with a " top rated" girl, and spend accordingly. Others just want to get their itch scratched and want it done cheaply as possible.

    In a way it is sad many of the non-working trannie bars are gone. It would free up men who don't wish to pay, to meet girls who don't charge, and leave the market to those who wish to play the game. I mean with all the St8 and gay bars in the world, there still are GGs and men who are paid good money for escorting. Even the Internet hasn't changed things that much.

    Have said it before, one must remember not every top girl or boy is there for long. If one is ever lucky enough to attend a party at the Playboy mansion, you will see lots of "older" women who were "hot" in their days as porn queens, escorts and such, now basically hanging around for any guy to throw them a bone. Sure these women are only in their 30's or even 40's, but by industry standards they are old women. Guys want the hot 18 year olds from the Mid-West or where ever the new girls are coming from. Same with gay escorts/porn stars. Again visit over on Rentboy.com and other such sites and you will see some famous named models escorting. Maybe some great legends command top dollars, others go for what they can get.

    In a way the Internet has been good for escorting, and very bad at the same time. While girls and guys no longer have to hit bars or street corners to work, the market has expanded to many players, and when that happens prices always go down.



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    Quote Originally Posted by AllanahStarrNYC
    That is true. I've never understoof why girld hsve different prices for different venues. I myself have never and will never do CL. Why? It's a bunch of time wasters, cheap skates, rude calls, and just crazy people.

    I think these girls dont realize that customers look at ALL the sites and
    the papers. Though I am not sure really high end guys are looking on CL.
    There's a lot of girls who use CL as "fill in". I know a bunch of my advertisers who have told me they make most of their money off of my site still use CL when they have a slow day because it's "instant gratification" (on both sides). Of course, they always complain about the guys from CL being exactly what you said (time wasters, cheap skates, rude calls, and just crazy people), but it's free and when you need your schedule filled to pay the bills........ you do what you have to.

    In the old days, girls would go to certain hotel lobby bars that were known for having working girls (The Oak Bar at The Plaza was famous for it). Now they go on CL.

    As far as higher end guys on CL, I have a close friend who sees at least one girl a week and sometimes three or four that he pays between $400 and $800 for (not an hour; for a "date" which lasts a minimum of 2 hours). I also know of guys who book up to $3,000 dates off of CL. But most of these guys are there trolling for "non pro" girls. Of course, even $3,000 isn't really high end. Which is why I chuckle when I hear guys talk about "no girl should charge more than $250" (or whatever). I think everyone here would be shocked if they knew the number of girls out there commanding (and getting) $10,000 a night (or MUCH more).



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    Quote Originally Posted by Shining Star
    The other problem is that many men who see trannies have little or no brand loyalty. While some may dream of being with a " top rated" girl, and spend accordingly. Others just want to get their itch scratched and want it done cheaply as possible. .
    I don't think it's a TS vs GG thing, or even necessarily a $ thing: there is a very significant portion of the trick population that just doesn't see the same girl twice (or rarely does so). The whole reason they are doing it is for variety, so they see as many different girls as possible.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Shining Star
    Websites like SER and more importantly TER have given men outlets to do "Consumer Reports" on female and trannie escorts. Time was when a trannie would demand $$$ and give the guy the worst 15mins of his life, then turn him out the door. Now dates have their revenge and girls know that. Top rated girls command high rates because in part reviews back them up.
    .
    But there is also a lot of corruption in the system. I know on SER they will delete (or they used to, anyway) bad reviews of girls if the girl asked for it to be removed. they also wouldn't put up what they really paid if it was a low number: there are lots of quid pro quo bought and paid for reviews (both GG and TS). You even have agencies openly offering discounts for (good) reviews.

    I don't think the review sites have changed things as much for TS escorts as for GG escorts in that I think there are still a higher percentage of "a trannie would demand $$$ and give the guy the worst 15mins of his life" than with GG girls. Certainly if you limit it to those who are "internet" girls. Just take a look at Eros: half of the "just visiting" or "new" TS girls are neither of those, whereas that's not nearly the case with GG girls.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Shining Star
    In a way it is sad many of the non-working trannie bars are gone. It would free up men who don't wish to pay, to meet girls who don't charge, and leave the market to those who wish to play the game. I mean with all the St8 and gay bars in the world, there still are GGs and men who are paid good money for escorting. Even the Internet hasn't changed things that much.
    You see it creeping into discussions all the time here: how many "all TS are hookers" discussion have there been because the only TS that most of the guys have ever seen are in the business?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Shining Star
    In a way the Internet has been good for escorting, and very bad at the same time. While girls and guys no longer have to hit bars or street corners to work, the market has expanded to many players, and when that happens prices always go down.
    I have to disagree on this one: of course it is, like everything else, a matter of supply and demand. And for all the new supply because of the internet, there's also an awful lot more demand. As I've stated earlier in this thread, the internet has raised the lower end up substantially. But it has also done what it has done for a lot of other things: everything is the same on the internet ("everyone is equal on the internet"). everyone's opinions are of equal merit, etc. You end up with a lot of "lowest common denominators". You see this out in Queens with the fast houses: the one's with runners singing "chicas chicas" on Roosevelt Avenue are $40; the one's on the internet - with the same girls in them - are $80.

    You also see part timers getting more by using CL than they could get without the internet. There are all sorts of college girls, working single moms, etc. who trick to make ends meet. they may only throw an ad up once a week or once a month, but when they work they have lots of tricks to choose from. Before the internet, their options were extremely limited. Maybe try to drop some hints... but to who? A lot ended up streetwalking once in a while or going to the hotel bars, but then they only got the same prices the girls who went to those places got. Now, they can pick up guys on sites like Sugardaddie.com and get premium prices.



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