Tgirl cocks - question...

[JelenaCD]

I say the question to ask is if your tgal removed her COCK would you still want her and the answer for me is no , i would just prefer a genetic gal over her and that's why i say i am bisexual !

[tstv_lover]

I say the question to ask is if your tgal removed her COCK would you still want her and the answer for me is no , i would just prefer a genetic gal over her and that's why i say i am bisexual !

Interesting question Jelena - maybe worthy of it's own thread. If the tgirl I loved wanted SRS then I would absolutely support her both financially and emotionally. She would be the same person, progressed a step further on her journey and requiring reassurance that she'd made the right decision.

To end a relationship and discard a transsexual girlfriend because she decided to have SRS sounds incredibly selfish and hurtful.

[sucka4chix]

Certainly you are not alone, tstv_lover, although as you will have seen there are a number of people around here who will try and make you feel as if you are.

It's surprising to see how old-fashioned conservatism and sexual intolerence survives even in a place like this.

Of men who are attracted to transsexuals, probably a clear majority are "cock fans", in the sense that they are aroused by their partner's penis and wish to make use of it sexually. They're entitled to respect for their preferences.

What I don't understand, however, is why a small minority of those who fall into this category feel the need to be intolerant and sometimes downright psychologically abusive towards men like you and me whose attraction to transsexuals is not centred around the penis.

You might have thought that being able to accept and respect sexual orientations that you don't happen to share yourself would be second nature to those in a "niche" area like a transsexual forum. Sadly, for a minority of the "cock fans", that's a level of civilization and common courtesy that they haven't achieved yet.

So no, you're not the only one. Guys are into shemales for a whole variety of reasons, and nobody should pretend that theirs is the only true category.

ughhhhhh!!! I repeat UUUGGGGGHHHHHH! Damn I need a primal scream!
I'll try to explain this the billionth time, even though it needs no explaining!!
If you go to a site called HUNG ANGELS, YOU SHOULD EXPECT TO FIND PEOPLE THERE WHO LIKE ANGELS WHO ARE HUNG! DOES THAT MAKE SENSE!!! IT'S SORTA LIKE HOT CHOCOLATE- PUT THE 2 WORDS TOGETHER AND YOU CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT THE TERM MEANS. LET'S SEE ANGELS PROBABLY REFERS TO SWEET GIRLS, AND HUNG EITHER MEANS THEY KILLED THEMSELVES BY TYING A ROPE AROUND THEIR NECKS, OR THEY HAVE COCKS. NOT ONLY COCKS, BIG COCKS.THAT'S MY BEEF!
You can go to any site you want, but to go to a site with such a name, and then wonder why people there are cock-centric is FUCKING INSANE! Unless you have no clue about the english lanuage, quit complaining and wondering why a site called hung angels attracts guys who like hung angels, and start asking why a site called hung angels attracts guys who DON'T like hung angels and why so many girls who are against guys who like hung angels, would frequent a site called HUNG ANGELS!
It's like having a site called black angels but having people get upset because the guys like real black girls." I don't get off on the blackness of girls, I like the white girls who are in black face". Then don't go to the black angels site, you moron!
There are plenty of chicks without dicks! What kind of psychosis makes anyone purposely seek out a girl with a dick just to ignore it?! Just get a girl without a dick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Damn!

Ahhh. that felt good!

[lazyman]

Certainly you are not alone, tstv_lover, although as you will have seen there are a number of people around here who will try and make you feel as if you are.

It's surprising to see how old-fashioned conservatism and sexual intolerence survives even in a place like this.

Of men who are attracted to transsexuals, probably a clear majority are "cock fans", in the sense that they are aroused by their partner's penis and wish to make use of it sexually. They're entitled to respect for their preferences.

What I don't understand, however, is why a small minority of those who fall into this category feel the need to be intolerant and sometimes downright psychologically abusive towards men like you and me whose attraction to transsexuals is not centred around the penis.

You might have thought that being able to accept and respect sexual orientations that you don't happen to share yourself would be second nature to those in a "niche" area like a transsexual forum. Sadly, for a minority of the "cock fans", that's a level of civilization and common courtesy that they haven't achieved yet.

So no, you're not the only one. Guys are into shemales for a whole variety of reasons, and nobody should pretend that theirs is the only true category.

ughhhhhh!!! I repeat UUUGGGGGHHHHHH! Damn I need a primal scream!
I'll try to explain this the billionth time, even though it needs no explaining!!
If you go to a site called HUNG ANGELS, YOU SHOULD EXPECT TO FIND PEOPLE THERE WHO LIKE ANGELS WHO ARE HUNG! DOES THAT MAKE SENSE!!! IT'S SORTA LIKE HOT CHOCOLATE- PUT THE 2 WORDS TOGETHER AND YOU CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT THE TERM MEANS. LET'S SEE ANGELS PROBABLY REFERS TO SWEET GIRLS, AND HUNG EITHER MEANS THEY KILLED THEMSELVES BY TYING A ROPE AROUND THEIR NECKS, OR THEY HAVE COCKS. NOT ONLY COCKS, BIG COCKS.THAT'S MY BEEF!
You can go to any site you want, but to go to a site with such a name, and then wonder why people there are cock-centric is FUCKING INSANE! Unless you have no clue about the english lanuage, quit complaining and wondering why a site called hung angels attracts guys who like hung angels, and start asking why a site called hung angels attracts guys who DON'T like hung angels and why so many girls who are against guys who like hung angels, would frequent a site called HUNG ANGELS!
It's like having a site called black angels but having people get upset because the guys like real black girls." I don't get off on the blackness of girls, I like the white girls who are in black face". Then don't go to the black angels site, you moron!
There are plenty of chicks without dicks! What kind of psychosis makes anyone purposely seek out a girl with a dick just to ignore it?! Just get a girl without a dick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Damn!

Ahhh. that felt good!

Congratulations on your primal scream.

Now that you've got that out of the way, perhaps you could get to work on the next skill - actually reading posts.

The question was not about whether one would expect to find people on HA who are interested in cocks - of course you would expect that. The question was whether it was unusual to be on HA and not be interested in cocks. And the answer being that, while a minority, there are a group of guys who genuinely fall into that category, and shouldn't be labelled as "delusional", any more than the cock-fans should.

Any clearer?

Perhaps next time we can discuss why you seem to have some issues surrounding accepting other people's sexual orientation or tastes. Or perhaps that's none of my business.

[sucka4chix]

Certainly you are not alone, tstv_lover, although as you will have seen there are a number of people around here who will try and make you feel as if you are.

It's surprising to see how old-fashioned conservatism and sexual intolerence survives even in a place like this.

Of men who are attracted to transsexuals, probably a clear majority are "cock fans", in the sense that they are aroused by their partner's penis and wish to make use of it sexually. They're entitled to respect for their preferences.

What I don't understand, however, is why a small minority of those who fall into this category feel the need to be intolerant and sometimes downright psychologically abusive towards men like you and me whose attraction to transsexuals is not centred around the penis.

You might have thought that being able to accept and respect sexual orientations that you don't happen to share yourself would be second nature to those in a "niche" area like a transsexual forum. Sadly, for a minority of the "cock fans", that's a level of civilization and common courtesy that they haven't achieved yet.

So no, you're not the only one. Guys are into shemales for a whole variety of reasons, and nobody should pretend that theirs is the only true category.

ughhhhhh!!! I repeat UUUGGGGGHHHHHH! Damn I need a primal scream!
I'll try to explain this the billionth time, even though it needs no explaining!!
If you go to a site called HUNG ANGELS, YOU SHOULD EXPECT TO FIND PEOPLE THERE WHO LIKE ANGELS WHO ARE HUNG! DOES THAT MAKE SENSE!!! IT'S SORTA LIKE HOT CHOCOLATE- PUT THE 2 WORDS TOGETHER AND YOU CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT THE TERM MEANS. LET'S SEE ANGELS PROBABLY REFERS TO SWEET GIRLS, AND HUNG EITHER MEANS THEY KILLED THEMSELVES BY TYING A ROPE AROUND THEIR NECKS, OR THEY HAVE COCKS. NOT ONLY COCKS, BIG COCKS.THAT'S MY BEEF!
You can go to any site you want, but to go to a site with such a name, and then wonder why people there are cock-centric is FUCKING INSANE! Unless you have no clue about the english lanuage, quit complaining and wondering why a site called hung angels attracts guys who like hung angels, and start asking why a site called hung angels attracts guys who DON'T like hung angels and why so many girls who are against guys who like hung angels, would frequent a site called HUNG ANGELS!
It's like having a site called black angels but having people get upset because the guys like real black girls." I don't get off on the blackness of girls, I like the white girls who are in black face". Then don't go to the black angels site, you moron!
There are plenty of chicks without dicks! What kind of psychosis makes anyone purposely seek out a girl with a dick just to ignore it?! Just get a girl without a dick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Damn!

Ahhh. that felt good!

Congratulations on your primal scream.

Now that you've got that out of the way, perhaps you could get to work on the next skill - actually reading posts.

The question was not about whether one would expect to find people on HA who are interested in cocks - of course you would expect that. The question was whether it was unusual to be on HA and not be interested in cocks. And the answer being that, while a minority, there are a group of guys who genuinely fall into that category, and shouldn't be labelled as "delusional", any more than the cock-fans should.

Any clearer?

Perhaps next time we can discuss why you seem to have some issues surrounding accepting other people's sexual orientation or tastes. Or perhaps that's none of my business.

You truly are a lazyman---read my post next time before stepping to me. I stated what MY BEEF WAS! From my point of view, you should be labelled as delusional. Listen to this statement "I like transsexual women, but I don't like their cocks" say that outloud and tell me why that makes sense! It's no different than saying I like GGs but I ignore their pussies! Why put yourself thru the stress of dealing with something you don't like!
I could give less than a rats ass about anyones sexual orientation or tastes. IT HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT! IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH LOGIC. You have admitted yourself that you are in the MINORITY, which means yes, you are unusual!!! Stop taking that personally and learn the meaning of the words you use!!! That and only that has been my beef on this type of issue over and over. Words are important--- if you see the word hung, you know it sexually implies a being endowed with a big cock. So if you go to a site entitled hung angels, why ask if it is unusual to not like cocks? It logically follows that of course it is unusual!!
The word transsexual implies some who has crossed from one sex to another or straddles across 2 sexes. So to say I like transsexuals but I only like the feminine part is delusional and self defeating. Delusional because you know there's another side, and self defeating because you don't like penis, but chose a sexual creature that has one!
Hopefully, you can see how many people cannot understand this. I'm not hating on you! I'm hating on the fact that so many people don't understand why others don't follow their way of thinking WHEN THEIR TRAIN OF THOUGHT IS ILLOGICAL!!

[BeardedOne]

However I find it incredibly funny that you don't like cock, but will suck one!

To each their own. I'm not especially fond of psychotic women, but I'd do 'em if they had a big dowry.

[lazyman]

Oh dear. All right, let's try and get this straight one last time, shall we?

You truly are a lazyman---read my post next time before stepping to me. I stated what MY BEEF WAS! From my point of view, you should be labelled as delusional. Listen to this statement "I like transsexual women, but I don't like their cocks" say that outloud and tell me why that makes sense! It's no different than saying I like GGs but I ignore their pussies! Why put yourself thru the stress of dealing with something you don't like!

So I should be labelled as delusional? Why? Because YOU don't understand or share my sexual tastes? Forgive me if I don't see the logic there.

I don't share your tastes either, but I don't see fit to abuse you with terms like "delusional", because I have no more standing to do that to you than you do to me.

Now it may be that you find it surprising that there are a number of men who are sexually aroused by male-to-female transsexuals for reasons that do not revolve around the fact that they have a penis. That may confuse you, and you may be unable to relate to it. But that doesn't mean we don't exist, and it doesn't mean that you have a right to tell us that we're in the wrong place, any more than I have a right to tell that to you.

Try looking at it from the other perspective. What if someone tried to tell you that you were delusional for only liking cock when it was attached to a transsexual, rather than when it was a man's? Now if anyone did tell you that, they'd be wrong, wouldn't they? As wrong as you are to say it to us.

I could give less than a rats ass about anyones sexual orientation or tastes. IT HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT! IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH LOGIC. You have admitted yourself that you are in the MINORITY, which means yes, you are unusual!!! Stop taking that personally and learn the meaning of the words you use!!! That and only that has been my beef on this type of issue over and over. Words are important--- if you see the word hung, you know it sexually implies a being endowed with a big cock. So if you go to a site entitled hung angels, why ask if it is unusual to not like cocks? It logically follows that of course it is unusual!!

First of all, the gramatically correct phrase to use would be that you couldn't give a rat's ass, not that you could.

And secondly, doesn't it strike you as being a little incongrous to be claiming not to care, and then in the same post ranting at me with capital letters, multiple exclamation marks and the word "delusional?"

I agree that we're in a minority, however, that does not equate to being unusual. In fact we would appear to be quite a substantial minority, albeit one that does not compete with the cock-fans for vocality or visibility. As evidence for this, look at the proportion of transsexual porn that is taken up with the girls in a passive role in which their cock is not used at all - it's massive! Porn producers know their audience - if they didn't, they'd have gone bust by now - and they know that there are a significant number of men who are turned on by transsexuals because of what they are, not what they have between their legs.

The final implication of yours seems to be that, as a member of the above-identified category, I should be less at home on HA than you. That's just weird. This site does not exist just to cater for your tastes, any more than it does for mine. And you don't have to read too much of this forum to realise that quite a lot of its members are not cock-fans like your good self.

The word transsexual implies some who has crossed from one sex to another or straddles across 2 sexes. So to say I like transsexuals but I only like the feminine part is delusional and self defeating. Delusional because you know there's another side, and self defeating because you don't like penis, but chose a sexual creature that has one!
Hopefully, you can see how many people cannot understand this. I'm not hating on you! I'm hating on the fact that so many people don't understand why others don't follow their way of thinking WHEN THEIR TRAIN OF THOUGHT IS ILLOGICAL!!

Absolutely, I can see how some people would not understand this. Indeed, it's painfully obvious that you can't! But then, I've never asked you to understand. All I've asked is that you give me and those like me the same modicum of respect that I've given you by accepting our genuine views and desires without trying to impose yours on us and make us fit into your image of what a transsexual fan should be. After all, how would you like it if someone did that to you?

If you are interested in trying to understand how people can be turned on by transsexuals without being cock-fans, this is how I approached the subject last time it came up:

So, why am I attracted to transsexuals if I'm not interested in their penises? This is an interesting question, and one which would have been valid for you to ask had you done so in a spirit of genuine curiosity rather than demonstrating a determination to pre-judge and/or reject the answer.

The reasons I can basically summarise as follows: transsexual women look, act, and in the best cases sound, like genetic women without actually being so. Thus, they permit me to indulge my sexual attraction to women while simultaneously bringing a new range of sensual and interpersonal offerings that genetic women can't provide. These are:

1) created femininity. A transsexual woman in the later stages of transition is a work of art and a testament to a lifetime of aesthetic improvement. As the sexual partner of such a person, I feel almost as if this vast effort has been for my benefit and enjoyment. Making love to a transsexual woman carries some of the same thrill as driving a superbly-engineered car or owning a painting that took years to finish.

2) empathy. A transsexual woman has a better and more natural understanding of the male mind and sex drive than a genetic woman. Typically they have spent a significant portion of their formative childhood living in a male gender role before embarking on the course of actualising their true selves. The additional understanding this brings to them enhances sex, since I feel we are better able to appreciate one another's desires and needs. To give an example of this on a trivial level, in my experience no genetic woman has ever been able to give a blowjob to rival those provided by transsexual women.

3) Transgressive appeal - Being attracted to and having sexual relations with transsexual women is outside the normal range of sexual behaviour. Despite the increasing prominence given to it by the internet, it is still very much a niche, minority interest. It allows me to experience the excitement of going beyond the boundaries of what my family and community would find acceptable, while still allowing me to have sex with attractive women.

So there you go, as best I'm able to understand it. The above is what draws me personally to transsexuals. As for your reasons, or anyone else's, that's not for me to preach about or judge - a position you could do well to adopt.

So as I hope you can see, we do have our reasons. If our sexual tastes offend or confuse you, or if you can't see the logic in them, then I'm afraid that's too bad. You'll just have to do what most of the civilised world has been doing for over 40 years and accept people for what they are, not for what you think they should be.

[sucka4chix]

that's not for me to preach about or judge - a position you could do well to adopt.

So as I hope you can see, we do have our reasons. If our sexual tastes offend or confuse you, or if you can't see the logic in them, then I'm afraid that's too bad. You'll just have to do what most of the civilised world has been doing for over 40 years and accept people for what they are, not for what you think they should be.

I accept you for what you are--- an idiot who refuses to read, even when he pastes my comments directly into his response. You attempt to correct something you mistakenly call grammar, yet you don't even quote the statement that you pasted!! That tells me you either aren't reading, have ADD, are a moron, or simply want to spread your own silly-assed agenda regardless. Once again, your ridiculously long winded response has absolutely nothing to do with what I said, but I won't give it value by trying to explain where you went wrong. Obviously it's above your level of comprehension.

[tstv_lover]

So, why am I attracted to transsexuals if I'm not interested in their penises? This is an interesting question, and one which would have been valid for you to ask had you done so in a spirit of genuine curiosity rather than demonstrating a determination to pre-judge and/or reject the answer.

The reasons I can basically summarise as follows: transsexual women look, act, and in the best cases sound, like genetic women without actually being so. Thus, they permit me to indulge my sexual attraction to women while simultaneously bringing a new range of sensual and interpersonal offerings that genetic women can't provide. These are:

1) created femininity. A transsexual woman in the later stages of transition is a work of art and a testament to a lifetime of aesthetic improvement. As the sexual partner of such a person, I feel almost as if this vast effort has been for my benefit and enjoyment. Making love to a transsexual woman carries some of the same thrill as driving a superbly-engineered car or owning a painting that took years to finish.

2) empathy. A transsexual woman has a better and more natural understanding of the male mind and sex drive than a genetic woman. Typically they have spent a significant portion of their formative childhood living in a male gender role before embarking on the course of actualising their true selves. The additional understanding this brings to them enhances sex, since I feel we are better able to appreciate one another's desires and needs. To give an example of this on a trivial level, in my experience no genetic woman has ever been able to give a blowjob to rival those provided by transsexual women.

3) Transgressive appeal - Being attracted to and having sexual relations with transsexual women is outside the normal range of sexual behaviour. Despite the increasing prominence given to it by the internet, it is still very much a niche, minority interest. It allows me to experience the excitement of going beyond the boundaries of what my family and community would find acceptable, while still allowing me to have sex with attractive women.

So there you go, as best I'm able to understand it. The above is what draws me personally to transsexuals. As for your reasons, or anyone else's, that's not for me to preach about or judge - a position you could do well to adopt.

I can easily relate to the reasons you've listed. One additional attraction for me is that a transsexual woman is feminine through choice rather than accident of birth.

[proud]

I wonder who needs the answer to the "tgirl cock" question? Or this is just another opportunity for someone to claim "i am 100% top" or "I don't care what is between her legs". Both of course quite unnecessary and incorrect statements. Internet indeed could be a play ground, but hey, lets try being real and honest with ourselves.