The government attempting AGAIN to take our rights away!

[Dino Velvet]

Here's some interesting questions.

#1 How many times in the last year have you broken somebody's conception of moral law? Have you been a participant in extramarital sex, for example. Or taken the Lord's name in vain? Or have you had impure thoughts? Have you rented pornography? Perhaps you masturbated once or twice.

#2 Now, how many times in the last year have you had to use firearms to defend your home?

If a certain right is exercised daily in one's pursuit of freedom and happiness and another is rarely utilized, and by most people never utilized...does that speak to their relative importance?

I've done both but the one I labled #1 most often. I wouldn't give up either right.

Dino, you wouldn't be able to defend your right to bear arms, without the right to free speech. All the other rights in the bill or rights are empty promises without the ability to assert or advocate for them.

FK

Why are you looking for an argument with me? We agree on the majority of this issue. As I said, all our rights are important. I agree we wouldn't have the right to bear arms without the freedom of speech. We also wouldn't have the freedom of speech if we didn't have the right to bear arms. We have common ground, Felicia. God bless America!

[Felicia Katt]

We aren't arguing, we are discussing. You suggested the second amendment was your first priority. I'm trying to get you to reconsider that, since your ability to make that suggestion is only possible because of the first amendment. You won't be able use a gun to get porn if it is banned. Put another way, I'd rather you were able to get excited then for that bulge in your pants to only ever be a gun

meow

FK

[mbf]

once again: some of you yanks are funny. As I stated earleir, the ocuntry where I live in, has strict gun laws. Strict as in EVERY responsible adult has the right to own a gun and if he/she desires, will get one without much of a problem.

The demands are low there, just have no criminal record. Don't have a record regarding certain mental problems. Attend a short crash course regarding the proper use of guns with a certified organisation.

Sounds all sensible to me, so, what's to fear there?

[Dino Velvet]

You suggested the second amendment was your first priority.

meow

FK

No I didn't. I said it was just as important. I don't believe there is an issue here.

[LoneWolf]

The second amendment is called the "first freedom" because it allows a person to provide personal protection for themselves and their family. Safety according to Maslow's Hierarchy is the second most import "need" right below basic biological needs; food, air, water, etc.

It doesn't matter how many times you use your second amendment freedoms. You only need to use it once in your life for it to be worth the trouble. You only need to be shot by a mugger once to end up dead forever, thereby making all of the other constitutional freedoms moot.

Most proponents of gun control are wealthy liberals who live in nice neighborhoods that are frequently patrolled by police, and usually as a second layer of protection they have private security guards controlling access to the community gates or building entrance. Taking their Safety for granted, this allows effete liberals to dismiss the working class as "bitter people who cling to... their guns."

TL;DR- fuck gun control.

Sorry Wendy for adding to the derailing of this thread.

[wombat33]

Evil Angel is now a pathetic attempt for our shitty government to tell us what is obscene and what isnt. People if you DONT wake up and see that this type of harrassment on porn companys needs to STOP. Just another obstacle and money wasted!

http://www.avn.com/video/articles/29590.html

I wish the Evil Angel company, John S., Joey S., and Jay S. the BEST of luck!

Regardless of what we think of the government my personal feeling is that they are doing a good thing. Porn is fine for a percentage of people but it ruins others lives, both those in the industry and those who watch/collect/need it.

I think the world would be better off without porn and I wish I nevr started down the trai of the porn viewer/collector.

[trish]

NRA calls the second amendment the first freedom; the founders called it the second amendment. Maslow places physiological needs first at the base of his pyramidal hierarchy. The primary psychological needs follow next in the hierarchy. The primary psychological needs, according to Maslow, are security of body (that would be health), security of employment (knowing how your going to pay for your next meal), security of resources (living within the means of the land, knowing where your next meal is coming from), security of morality (knowing your not going to be stoned for announcing and following your own moral dictates), security of the family health (speaks for itself) and lastly security of property (which Maslow realized is relevant only to communities that have developed a notion of individual ownership).

There are many ways to provide those needs. Individual gun ownership is not required. Freedom of speech is. But I’m for gun ownership. But with the ownership of a gun comes responsibility. I would like to see prospective gun users take a course, pass a test, get a license and renew it periodically. The user can carry the license in her wallet and a sticker can readily be placed on the butt of the gun or rifle. It’s exactly what we expect of anyone who wishes to drive a car. Licensing is not contrary to the freedom to drive nor contrary to the freedom to own or use a gun. (btw “fuck gun-control” is not an argument…you’re have to do better if you want to be persuasive).

Thank you Wendy for providing the link. I do hope everyone who visits this thread check it out. Protect freedom of speech, by speaking out.

[tsmandy]

Regardless of what we think of the government my personal feeling is that they are doing a good thing. Porn is fine for a percentage of people but it ruins others lives, both those in the industry and those who watch/collect/need it.

I think the world would be better off without porn and I wish I nevr started down the trai of the porn viewer/collector.

So after 1,733 posts you decide that we should be behind bars for making "obscene films"? Seems like you need to sort some stuff out wombat, at the very least maybe delete your hung angels account.

I happen to be a very big fan of many of the activities that are labeled obscene, so....

My goal for the rest of the year, is at least 1 of each:

A fisting scene (maybe if I'm lucky I'll get to fist two people at once, I've double fisted one person, but never 2 at one time)

Sex with bondage (who doesn't like to get tied up and fucked, or vice versa?)

Golden showers (not solo, done that, but pissing on someone else, or being pissed on)

[Edmund]

...any more than I like Democrats to tell me how I can defend my home from intruders...

You do realize that the Second Amendment was composed at a time when a national army was unrealistic, and it only guarantees your right to serve in your state militia? To "bear arms" in 1789 meant to serve in the military.

[trish]

That's true, Edmund. And by arms, they meant front loaded flintlock rifles and pistols. Fortunately we've adopted a jurisprudence that allows the interpretation of our founding documents to evolve with time and culture. The modern interpretation, without a doubt, grants individuals the right to own firearms. But how those rights are to be exercised and regulated is not clear. It's a part of our modern reading that is currently being worked out in the courts, in the legislatures and in the opinions of the people.