Can someone explain to me why girls do the 'showgirl' look?

[whatislove]

Stage makeup. All you really need to know.

[Nowhere]

Ok, THAT explains it. Thank you.

And, on a personal level, i'll be honest and admit that I really think it's really unflattering and not attractive when they do it. I think makeup on most women looks phenomenal when it actually, say, matches their skin tone, isn't overkill, etc. Add to this the fact that the idea of "female impersonation", to me, meant logically that they'd look as much of a GG as possible, not some exaggerated caricature of a woman that everyone knows isn't one, and the whole thing never made sense (to me).

To be honest, it still doesn't completely (why do gay men run it and not the girls themselves, so they can make the rules?), but it is what it is!

From International Chrysis to Candis Cayne; queens have always made the prettiest TSs imo. In fact, most of the girls in TS porn that you all drool over are former, if not current, queens.

And you're showing your ignorance by talking about who "runs" things, and who "makes the rules".

EXCUSE ME.

I simply was repeating what was said earlier by someone else in the thread:

Explain it, because that IS my question.

If you're going to go off and do a show as a "female impersonator" why don't you look 1000% "fish" (as they say) and not like someone who screams "I used to be a man" because of makeup overkill (and in that specific overwhite way that all Drag Queens do) that no GG on the planet would wear?

I think Kelly summed it up.

Look at the first pic, I'm guessing that's how she normally looks. The second pic is of her doing a show (which imo, she doesn't look bad at all). I have some experience with this because I dated a girl that did shows. Here's how it was explained to me: The people that run drag shows are gay guys. They want to see something outrageous and exaggerated, because that's their way of rebelling against mainstream society. When you're on stage, you have to exaggerate everything to be noticed and seen from a distance, that includes hair and makeup. Since the guys that do the shows aren't into women, they don't want to see women, they want to see overkill. How often do you see natal women walking around like Ms. America? It's a pageant.

I don't completely understand it myself, but there it is.

Ok, THAT explains it. Thank you.

And, on a personal level, i'll be honest and admit that I really think it's really unflattering and not attractive when they do it. I think makeup on most women looks phenomenal when it actually, say, matches their skin tone, isn't overkill, etc. Add to this the fact that the idea of "female impersonation", to me, meant logically that they'd look as much of a GG as possible, not some exaggerated caricature of a woman that everyone knows isn't one, and the whole thing never made sense (to me).

To be honest, it still doesn't completely (why do gay men run it and not the girls themselves, so they can make the rules?), but it is what it is!

The only thing I see being "ignorant" here is you intentionally editing that out of my quote to make it look like I'm being a way that I'm not.

He said it, I'm repeating it and no one questioned it afterwards.

If TomSelis is wrong, bring it up to him, not me.

And, obviously I knew "most of the girls in TS porn that you all drool over are former, if not current, queens" like, say, Danielle Foxxx as the most obvious example of that? How could I have even made this thread without knowing that?

[Nowhere]

Isn't she at a drag show in the second pic? Wouldn't that explain it? From my experience, the only times girls look like that is if they are doing a show. And the explaination that I got for looking like that at a show is a pretty deep one.

Explain it, because that IS my question.

If you're going to go off and do a show as a "female impersonator" why don't you look 1000% "fish" (as they say) and not like someone who screams "I used to be a man" because of makeup overkill (and in that specific overwhite way that all Drag Queens do) that no GG on the planet would wear?

Who gives a fuck? This is the dumbest bullshit I have read yet. We are transexuals a,d some of us are showgirls. Point blank. Erica
and many others like her use being a SHOWGIRL as a job, just like a Vegas show girl. What we do on stage and how we live or REAL lives are 2 totally different things. Now do you think a girl like Erica gives a fuck want you think of her and how she identifys to her family and friends. Females love our make up, its for stage asshole. Nobody goes grocery shopping with that much make-up on. :roll: :roll:

Vanessa, read the later posts. The question I should have explicitly said (and not implied) is "Why is there this tradition for the excessive stage makeup for something that is called "female impersonation" done in a way which no "female" would ever wear?"

I was not questioning something THAT obvious.

And, I do suppose I forgot about the "Vegas Showgirl" thing in light of the fact that those worlds have become more dominated with "Pussycat Doll" / Burlesque and stripper type things in recent days.

That does explain it a bit more...

[TsVanessa69]

Hey simple answer, girls give a showgirl look when they are about to do a show!
Now I am doing a show, tomorrow, here in Chicago at Hamburger Marys on Clark and Balmoral with 4 other ts. So chicago guys can see stage make-up at its best!!! Showtime is 10:15pm. Drink specials too!

[qeuqheeg222]

kabuki and the racoon look are necessary to the distance between the performer and the audience.amplification.

[FREEFALLL666]

Probably gonna cause some controversy, but if you are transitioning and do consider yourself a "girl" then by doing drag performances you only harm yours and other girls fight to be seen as girls.

Drag:- Guy PRETENDING to be a woman.
If you do consider yourself a girl then that only insults yourself and others like you by appearing to be a DragQueen..

[WendyWilliams]

Many of the ladies in the business today started out or still do "drag" its a form of expression/entertainment:

Allanah Starr formelly Damieen Devine *sp* Top 5 finalist at Miss Eoy, Top 5 at Miss Continental!

Kourtney a.k.a Kourtney Van Whales 1st Runner Up Miss Gay Usofa, 2nd Runner up Miss. Continetal

Ive made top 12 at Miss Gay Usofa twice, 2nd Runner up to Miss Florida FFI, 2nd Runner up Miss Renaissance


Those are just the big 4 National Pageants but alot of escorts and porn girls have won local pageants, etcc............Its very common in our community and a way to escape the sex industry.

[TsVanessa69]

Probably gonna cause some controversy, but if you are transitioning and do consider yourself a "girl" then by doing drag performances you only harm yours and other girls fight to be seen as girls.

Drag:- Guy PRETENDING to be a woman.
If you do consider yourself a girl then that only insults yourself and others like you by appearing to be a DragQueen..

Its a mother fucking job!!!!!!!! It pays bills. You motherfuckers are never happy, you don't want a girl who escorts, now you don't want a showgirl. Nothing ever pleases some fools. How the fuck does traveling the country, performing in top gay and straight night spots harm us?? It actually exposes us to a wider audience. Daym there are some stupid ass motherfuckers on this site. As a SHOWGIRL, as we are not DRAGQUEENS, I have been on many television programs, a radio show and in several newspapers sharing my life expierences to people to educate them and help them to better understand our situation. I LOVE being a SHOWGIRL, my fans love it and the guys I date are thrilled to see me on a stage mesmerizing people with my looks and my creative costumes. I love it so much I spend thousands of dollars on my Elaborate costumes which are eye catching and sexy at the same time. Its an art, and I hate peoples ignorance to what I and Erica Andrews and so many of my sisters do.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Most transsexuls paint like a stripper on stage, unless we are doing a pageant. I know many strippers that wear big fake eyelashes, contour their faces, etc so people WAY in the back can see them and the BRIGHT SPOTLIGHT DON'T WASH OUT THEIR FEATURES! HMMMM THEY EVEN DO THAT ON BROADWAY and guess what even Jessica Simpson, Britney Spears, Beyonce, and so many more women PAINT LIKE THIS when at a Concert or even on a Bright Lighted Talk Show! It's not "Natural" So shut the fuck up about the stage make up already! IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT IN PERSON!!! It just photographs that way! And fashion shows, I've done modeling in the past for Artec Textureline at hairshows and they painted my face and countoured it TEN TIMES Darker than I ever would at a stage show. So can we please shut up about "stage make up" Cause models, celebrities, broadway actresses ALL PAINT THIS WAY. Thats why it's called "STAGE" make up....DUMB ASSES.

Secondly it's called ENTERTAINING. No, I would not dance around in stage make up and a wig and pastees on my nipples going down the street in everyday life. No I would not cuss at people, tell gross jokes, and tease a straight man walking down the street in my everyday life to get a laugh. No, I would not stick my face in some lesbians face to get a dollar in my everyday life. DO YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS????????? IT'S A 'STAGE ACT' TO ENTERTAIN PEOPLE AND GET MONEY! I do shows, because I took 12 years of dance class and was in theater through out most of my school life, so it's my OUTLET for my artistic training. SO NO I DON'T FEEL I'M EXPLOITING MY WOMANHOOD AT ALL, if anything I'm using comedy to get people to OPEN THEIR MIND to GENDER! SO pleast stop with your retarded ASSUMPTION! My everyday life has nothing to do with my "STAGE LIFE'

[Tara Emory]

My one and only experience with the pageant scene was back in November 2001 when I somehow got convined to enter a small one in Boston.

I was the only contestant to show up to the dressing room area as a girl, all the others came as boys and then got super glammed up. I got accused of actually being a real girl, as one of the other queens was like "You're a real girl- you can't enter this!".

There were like 3 things we had to do, a lip synch number, an evening gown competition, and some sort of Q & A. Whereas the other girls did these sorta dance-y lip synch numbers (one of them had these three buff back up dancers), I did a strip tease to Bjork's "It's Oh So Quiet"- which is about as left-field as you could possibly get.

I pretty much bombed on the Q&A and then my evening gown was something very simple and not-glittery that I bought at Filenes. Everyone else had these horrible glittery things that were supposed to be Chanel or something.. They seemed really out of style to me, but whatever.

I was about as square, straight girl and looked as "Audrey Hepburn" as one could get, which was obviously not what they were looking for, so wasn't even close to winning. Also, my costume for the lip synch number fell apart right before I went out on stage. Thus ends my one and only experience with the pageant scene...

I have a video of it somewhere. It's embarassing, but I've gotten over that. Hmm, maybe I'll put it up on youtube..

-Tara