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08-21-2008 #71Originally Posted by Periscope
I do have a few comments, but they are not intended to come off abrasive (I am adding this disclaimer because of the way AG threads have been known to take a nose dive).
I don't feel like a "woman in a man's body". That is supposed to be how transgendered MTFs feel, but I don't.
This isn't a bad thing, its just the way things are defined clinically/medically.
From a strict by the book medical point of view sure, GID (TS) is defined as requiring this "my birth sex doesn't and never did match me" feeling.
This means that, by the books, if you don't believe you're in the wrong physical sex at birth, you can't meet the medical definition of GID.
There are, obviously other conditions that fall under the "transgender" term. It would not be hard to find some tv's who do body modification (hrt, surgeries, you name it), so you can't strictly go by who has or has not transitioned physically in defining these medical phrases. By the books, TV and GID are nothing alike, GID is an identity disorder, TV is (right or wrong this is how it is defined in the medical texts) as a fetish.
One of the nagging parts of this forum that I always take issue with is this idea that "you're a CD until you go FT and then you BECOME ts" No, sorry, but from a medical point of view whether you are TS or not is strictly based on how your situation compares to the GID medical definitions. In theory someone who has GID has GID, rather they transition or not.
Obviously if we are going to talk about rather or not this is a choice there is a lot that can be said, for any number of the transgender sub categories. Keeping this limited to GID for this post, there is ample modern & historical evidence that people who are truly GID, will try to transition to whatever extreme they can physically reach, regardless their situation. In ancient societies people who had GID tried their own sterilization techniques, and examples of this can be found cross-culturally. In modern societies, if transitioning is out of reach, someone who truly meets the legal definitions are very likely to try to transition even when put in positions that lend themselves against it (like prisons where hrt cannot be obtained).
One of the ways of defining rather someone who is GID has to transition (read: not a choice) to function, since we are talking about choice, is this issue of how functional they are in society if they don't transition. There are people who meet the definition easily, and who are entirely dysfunctional in society without transitioning- and will either harm themselves trying to transition, societal isolate themselves, or kill themselves if living in any situation falling short from transitioning... even if they stand no chance in hell of passing.
Under such a situation, because of their mental state of existence, it is not a choice. Just as someone who has certain variants of OCD may be a pack rat and keep every piece of garbage they've ever owned in their house, used plastic bags, newspapers, twisty ties and all. It would be a choice if they have an OCD type personality without having the full blown personality disorder.
I really can't speak to why some middle aged transitioners are able to "put it off" 30 years then impulsively transition ASAP as if one more year will be the end of their existance. Is it more of a choice for them? Or are they just in such deep denial that it takes them that long to realize "who the fuck am i kidding with this act?"
There are gay guys who have been married, with kids as "a beard", but that doesn't change that they're gay. I suppose these middle aged transitioners could be falling under a similar situation BUT this is just speculation on my part.
And maybe its easier to withdraw from life
With all of its misery and wretched lies
If we're dead when tomorrow's gone
The Big Machine will just move on
Still we cling afraid we'll fall
Clinging like the memory which haunts us all
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08-21-2008 #72
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Originally Posted by SarahG
If transsexuals were treated like any other person, and not like meat, sex objects or freaks, it'd be a hell of a lot easier to transition. I transitioned in my 30s because I was scared and also wanted to be the "perfect woman". A friend convinced me that I'd never be perfect, just like few, if any GG's were "perfect". After having that conversation with her over lunch, I decided to "go full-time" the next day. I've never looked back.
When you're isolated from other transsexuals and have no contact with a peer group, when the internet shows itself to be a bastion of hate, judgement and ignorance, how the hell do you muster the courage to transition? Sometimes it takes years. Would I love to go back in time and transition in my late teens? Maybe. I don't know how my life would have turned out. I am who I am now because of the choices I've made.
It's always a choice for us. People delude themselves into thinking they have no choice, but that's just silly. People choose to take their own lives, choose to kill, choose to excel despite adversity, choose to save someone at the expense of their own life. We always have a choice. It might be the choice to live in misery or denial, but it's still a choice. I don't believe for a second that there's some sort of biological imperative to transition. It's a high-level, intellectual choice that we all make once we realize who/what we really are.
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08-21-2008 #73
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Erm.. as I undertand it, TS's transition because they need to. Not because they want to give you a boner.
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08-21-2008 #74
Vanessa - you are just fucking hot and ALL woman in my eyes
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08-21-2008 #75
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Re: Why do some tgirls who are obviously way too masculine..
Originally Posted by SarahG
What I do not accept is the idea that, because my build is not that of a female, I should stay home and not present myself to the world as I see fit. On a community relations level, I would gladly take time to talk to someone skeptical of the motives or desires that lead me to transition. But on a personal relations level, a guy who comes up to me and says "Who do you think your fooling? You look like a linebacker in a dress!" --Well, as I said, that person can choke on it.
Now listen here, you mullet. Why don't you just light your tampon, blow your box apart? Because it's the only bang you're ever gonna get, sweetheart!
-Bernadette, The Adventures of Priscilla, QUEEN of the Desert
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08-21-2008 #76
Well, this is one subject I must chime in on because I am a tall girl, 5'11 and there is nothing wrong with being tall. I have two sisters who are exactly the same height as I am. It's genetics, some people are born tall, some short. I'm not sure why we're even having this discussion. There has to come a time when people learn to accept people for who they are and who they choose to become. No one should judge anyone for becoming exactly who they want to become, it's not your place. Worry about your own life and stop being so concerned with what's happening in everyone elses. If more people would spend more time loving and accepting each other we wouldn't even be having such ridiculous discussions. Maybe next time we should talk about how people in wheelchairs aren't as good as people who can walk, or people that are deaf aren't as good as hearing people. These sort of discussions just encourage hatred. It makes no sense to me.
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08-21-2008 #77
Re: Why do some tgirls who are obviously way too masculine..
Originally Posted by silkencock
The fact of the matter is, "right or wrong", if all the general public sees are nonpassing middle aged transitioners, or trans people (ts, tv or anything else) getting in fist fights in cities, then that is going to be the lasting impression/stereotype they have for all trans people.
I am proposing NO solutions to rectify this, it is simply my observation on "how the world works"
Talking strictly theory, I am sure if more trans people appeared to the general public as normal, both in appearance and in behavior, it will with time make the general public's attitudes far more open, receptive, and tolerant.
That isn't going to happen when girls beat up clerks at mcdonalds with tire irons for being read however. It isn't going to happen if all they know about are middle aged tvs in hose jerking off, and it isn't going to happen if they see all chasers as cockbandits so addicted to cock as to go to the scottish games to "hit on all the guys in skirts"
My limited optimism on the subject is: younger transitioning is catching on, in the US it isn't that difficult to find girls who started in or before their early 20s. In some other nations it isnt hard to find girls now that are transitioning in or before puberty. If this trend continues across the board it COULD produce enough "normal every day girls who happen to be trans", without the lasting effects of T, without being forced into the sex industry to pay for their medical needs, and without assimilating into the lgb community for support that it just might win the general public over. Perhaps the -radical- lgb groups agree on this point, it would explain the few militant groups out there that go out of their way to oppose early transitioning. They know that early transitioners will be no more or less gay than GGs or GBs, and the role trans people have had in these groups over the last century has been so critical, so instrumental to their cause (even if we were SOR with ENDA) that it would not be in their best interest to lose it in favor of widespread assimilation, blending, stealth etc.
And maybe its easier to withdraw from life
With all of its misery and wretched lies
If we're dead when tomorrow's gone
The Big Machine will just move on
Still we cling afraid we'll fall
Clinging like the memory which haunts us all
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08-21-2008 #78
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Re: Why do some tgirls who are obviously way too masculine..
Originally Posted by SarahG
Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Now listen here, you mullet. Why don't you just light your tampon, blow your box apart? Because it's the only bang you're ever gonna get, sweetheart!
-Bernadette, The Adventures of Priscilla, QUEEN of the Desert
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08-27-2008 #79
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08-27-2008 #80Originally Posted by emmatgirl