Village Voice Michael Musto on the Sat Nite Party .....

[Felicia Katt]

When the Katt's away, the mice will play.

But sometimes a mouse is really more of a rat.

I was out of town for the last two days, and missed alot of the drama. Thanks to everyone who spoke up for me or against all the disjointed and discourteous posts.

William Shakespeare, an Englishman worthy of admiration, and quoting, once said

Brevity is the soul of wit

I guess the corollary would be that Verbosity is its lifeless body.

There have been too many posts with too many words, and too little thought and too much anger behind them. "full of sound and fury signifying nothing". Some people apparently would rather be hated than ignored. And someone will now be both.

I'm not going to waste any more time or keystrokes on them that way. I hope that is behind us all now, and instead of one sided screaming contests and unprovoked verbal assaults we can get back to again having real discussions.

Felicia

[NYCe]

That Ziffy guy is on a "vacation". He won't be here for a while.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

haha thats a funny pic

kenny looks like candy darlign with purple hair and michael musto looks like michael musto- is it me, or has he not aged in the last 20 years.

[NYCe]

He's skinnier in person. I was surprised because he looks huskier on those VH1 specials.

[flabbybody]

I have this gay friend at work and a while back I decided to tell him I was into being with trannys. His take on the whole thing is that I'm just a supressed homo and it's only a matter of time before I'm chasing cock. I thanked him for his brilliant insight. It's like dajuicy said, gay people can be as dumb and bigoted as the assholes in Texas.

[TomSelis]

Flabby,

That's kind of funny because that's how a lot of girls view us too.

[flabbybody]

we're ticking time bombs waiting to become queers. well, I'm gonna be 50 this year, and if it hasn't happened yet, it aint gonna.

yea, SHADE. I know you think my friend at work is right. save your energy, you don't have to post a reply.

[Ecstatic]

That's one reason I've always used the bisexual tag: it seems the least troublesome to mention if indeed I have to state my orientation. But there are so many types and layers and levels of attraction and orientation, I don't see why labels mean so much to so many. So many guys are afraid of being seen as "queer"; so many trannys it seems consider all "tranny chasers" (another label I hate) fags because such guys remind them of what they're transitioning from. It's such a paradox when girls who work it for a living (whether as escorts, actresses, models, or in some other capacity) cater to the very guys they otherwise put down as "fags."

I don't care about the labels; I love many kinds of sex, with male, female, and transsexual partners, because I love the variety. In the purely physical sense of sexual orientation, then, I'm bisexual (or omnisexual), but in terms of sexual attraction, I'm only attracted to women and TS; my only attraction to men is purely physical sex, and since my first encounter with a TS, I've had zero interest in men. I get all the "gay" physicality I need with the girls, so that attraction has basically dropped away.

Flabby, I've 53 and I know there's no "ticking time bomb" which will explode at some future date. Besides, what difference does it make? It's what's going on in the present between you and your partner(s) that matters; nothing else does. I think the problem for some guys is fear that they are closet homosexuals, and for some girls that they have to do for a living that which they despise, and so they transfer that despite to their clients.

[TomSelis]

That's one reason I've always used the bisexual tag: it seems the least troublesome to mention if indeed I have to state my orientation. But there are so many types and layers and levels of attraction and orientation, I don't see why labels mean so much to so many. So many guys are afraid of being seen as "queer"; so many trannys it seems consider all "tranny chasers" (another label I hate) fags because such guys remind them of what they're transitioning from. It's such a paradox when girls who work it for a living (whether as escorts, actresses, models, or in some other capacity) cater to the very guys they otherwise put down as "fags."

I don't care about the labels;

I'm definitely with you on most of what you said Ecstatic. Except I don't call myself bisexual.

There are guys that like girls and t-girls, t-girls and guys, t-girls, guys and girls. You would think girls trapped in a man's body would understand this and be the most understanding of this, being that they are descriminated against in the gay and straight community. It's funny to read some of the girls calling us fags because we like them, yet they believe they are girls that like straight guys only.

The girls I had really good conversations with always have a boyfriend, and I always wonder what's the difference between their boyfriends and me. I've come to the conclusion there isn't one, it's only in the mind of the girl. Those guys are probably wondering "What the hell is wrong with me?" like guys who seek the girls out do too. At the same time I hear, he doesn't like dick or he doesn't think about dick. He's got to, because it's there. The only difference between their boyfriend and me is he met her on the street somewhere and I met her in a club. He got lucky and stepped to her without knowing what he was stepping to. They don't realize that you can't just meet a girl like them anywhere. You don't walk out of your house in the morning and say, "There's a trannie! Let me go talk to her." not even in New York City.

Another thing Ecstatic, while we know what they are right off the bat, their boyfriends don't see through the illusion right off the bat and that makes a big difference. Maybe that's a problem for many of them too, only "fags" can see through the illusion. Faulty logic and a huge oversimplification, I know.

[Ecstatic]

He got lucky and stepped to her without knowing what he was stepping to.

I think you hit it there for a great many--if not most--tgirls, TomSelis: they want to be desired as women, not as women-with-dicks, so anyone who approaches them knowing what's going on down there is automatically cast in the chaser category. But a guy who "doesn't know what he's stepping to," who is attracted to a girl as a girl and only finds out "the truth" later on, is different. Now what if he enjoys her dick? Does he then get disqualified? or does the initial attraction prevail?

I know one very beautiful TS who had a guy fall for her big time, having met her socially with no idea that she was a tranny. Several days went by as they dated (without getting to sex), and she finally decided to tell him. He was shocked, but seemed fine with it, and they had a fine romance for going on a year, and when they broke up, it was for other reasons.

Yet we love them for who and what they are. Yes, I'm attracted to a beautiful woman with a dick because I love women and I love dick, but that doesn't mean I'm not attracted to her as a woman. I am. But I'm a tranny chaser in their eyes. Fortunately, not all girls are that narrowly focused, especially girls who enjoy topping. It's like they aren't "true TS" if they don't hate their dicks and don't want to touch them or have a guy interested in them, but why not? It feels good! If she enjoys it, why does that make her less of a woman? In my eyes, it doesn't. We are culturally and perhaps biologically (thanks to the imperative of propagating the species) conditioned to either/or thinking: either a man or a woman, either you're straight or you're gay (which is why I prefer bi: at least it's one classification which straddles the two). But things are not that black-and-white; I know many g-girls who are far more masculine in their behavior and character than t-girls. There's too much emphasis on what's between your legs. If you've got a cock, use it and enjoy it. If you've got a cock and don't enjoy it, go for SRS--that's totally cool, be who you want to be. But let's not pass judgement on one another so much!