What's the difference between a democracy and a republic?

[hippifried]

can you at least cite examples to back up your assertion about the UN then?

Of course not. Well not right now anyway. It'll take a while to sift through the Birch literature.

[El Nino]

Well hey hey there.... I can't spend all day and night on this forum, don't ya know! Jesus.
Anyway, this is just scratching the surface
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RA.../UN/peace.html
http://www.joegrossberg.com/archives/001478.html

Learn some more by yourselves

[hippifried]

There you go, Rogers. There's a blog entry for all occasions. And of course we all know that the "blogosphere" is the most accurate information source ever known because they can all access each other's opinions. Oh excuse me, I meant information.


Why are you having so much trouble getting your head around this? The UN is evil because Joe Grossberg (whoever he is) said so, & some unknown poster at whatreallyhappened.com copied & pasted a 1997 article from "The New American" (part of American Opinion Publishing, Inc.) about how horrible they are. It's on the internet. It must be true. Ya gotta have faith. The rabid blog posters wouldn't steer you wrong, would they?

[El Nino]

The UN cherry picks their engagements, sometimes being directly influenced by organizations the likes of Wolfowitz's World Bank et al. More over, they RANDOMLY enforce their interventions & engagements; and often turn a blind eye to prominent genocides across the board that they could easily do something about. Often times occurring in third world countries or areas that are thin on natural resources and weak in geo-political and strategic location. Perpetual war is what the global elite have always strived for. Funding both sides of the war and creating instability. PROBLEM, REACTION, SOLUTION...

[NewYorker]

The UN cherry picks their engagements, sometimes being directly influenced by organizations the likes of Wolfowitz's World Bank et al. More over, they RANDOMLY enforce their interventions & engagements; and often turn a blind eye to prominent genocides across the board that they could easily do something about. Often times occurring in third world countries or areas that are thin on natural resources and weak in geo-political and strategic location. Perpetual war is what the global elite have always strived for. Funding both sides of the war and creating instability. PROBLEM, REACTION, SOLUTION...

This is true of every major country in the world though and would just as true for America under Ron Paul as any other president.

[Oli]

The UN cherry picks their engagements, sometimes being directly influenced by organizations the likes of Wolfowitz's World Bank et al. More over, they RANDOMLY enforce their interventions & engagements; and often turn a blind eye to prominent genocides across the board that they could easily do something about.

Why don't you cite an example of this preposterous statement? Darfur, Rwanda, Cambodia, Sri Lanka, Liberia, Bosnia, Somolia, Congo, Columbia? Which one could the UN have 'easily' done something about? Which one has the World Bank prevented action in? Or was the IMF really responsible?

The UN has no army, navy or air force. Their budget comes from member countries, and they have no power to tax citizens. Any forces they deploy have to be donated by member countries and paid for by the donor countries. The boots don't hit the ground until the Security Council agrees to the deployment and troops are found.

Often times occurring in third world countries or areas that are thin on natural resources and weak in geo-political and strategic location.

Duh...Why do you think we're in Iraq for the second time in 15 years? If it was just sand, with more sand underneath it, would we really care? Would Saddam have been evil then?

Perpetual war is what the global elite have always strived for. Funding both sides of the war and creating instability. PROBLEM, REACTION, SOLUTION...

DON'T DRINK THE KOOL AID

http://www.missilebases.com/properties/index.html

[hippifried]

The UN is not a government. Never has been, & was never intended to be. There's no such thing as "the UN army". There are no UN forces at all. The various members join into sanctioned actions on a strictly voluntary basis, at which time a commander is chosen. It's usually a joint effort between 2 or more countries. Hopefully ones that are neutral to the conflict. The UN itself doesn't have the power to enforce anything, even it's own sanctions.

The constant complaining about the UN never ceases to amaze me. The same people complain whether the UN gets involved or doesn't do anything. Then they complain that the UN is all talk. Well duh! That's what it's supposed to be. It's a forum where the countries of the world can get together & talk themselves out of fighting. The whole purpose is to look for areas of aggreement, & try to compromise on the rest. The idea isn't to find excuses for war, but to avoid it.

Legalize the UN Charter!

[q1a2z3]

Ron Paul is a good guy. Paul is anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage. I wonder what would happen if there were a gay gene - would some people become pro-life on this board?



The constitution is in exile today. Exempting businesses from paying taxes would automatically remove half the tax burden from taxpayers. There has never been a company that went out of business because its taxes went up. The tax is just added to the price of the product. The fair tax is a sales tax. Whoever buys something would pay a tax on the product. We could still file a tax return yearly and low income people would get their money back since they wouldn't have to pay the sales tax, due to the very little money they make.

Social Security Insurance, Medicare and Medicaid are nothing more than pyramid schemes invented by idiots in government. These programs need to be phased out as soon as possible. Also, until they are gone Congress should not be able to collect the money from your paycheck for these schemes and pay it out the next day. The money should be invested in many types of conservative market investments.

If you want cheaper health care then health insurance as it is defined today must become something individuals shop for. A boob job has never been cheaper than it is today. Why? because it is not covered by health insurance. If every American had to shop for a plan there would be competition. People could opt for a catastrophic plan and pay doctors visits out of pocket. Doctors would have to lower there rates and compete.

We need a President that will dispose of the following Federal institutions before the country goes broke:
FEMA - let the woman governors and black mayors
fix their own problems at the state level. Ray Nagan forgot to drive the buses out of the low lying area before they got flooded. Doh! Woman governor forgot to work with FEMA director. Doh! and both forgot to spend federal dollars they received on flood control for the last 25 years. Doh! Levy contractor didn't do the job correctly. Doh!

Department of Education - local school boards can do a better job. Get the Federal government out of micromanaging schools. Maybe they could break the NEA union - a leading communist organization.

Department of Energy - Private industry is doing a great job on developing alternative energy. Once it becomes cost effective we will be able to use it.



The fourth amendment states:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

This amendment does not apply to the following:
phone calls!!! A phone call is just like standing on a street corner talking to another person. That Church idiot who got the CIA and FBI separated in 1974 was a commie and we need to undo the damage his legislation has done to our country. We need to make good use of the CIA and other organizations to keep our country safe.

Foreigners and terrorists are not covered by the Constitution!!! The Patriot Act I and II are needed!!!
There is no such thing as a illegal war either junior.
We should have nuked Ryhiad and Tora Bora on Sept 12th, 2001. Camel Jockeys understand force. They were all on TV on 911 doing their la la la la lal al celebration when the towers came down. That was the woman who was doing the la lal al thing.




I just hope Ron Paul is not a globalist like king George the Idiot. Free trade is a crock of crap! We need to protect American jobs.

[Rogers]

The UN has no army, navy or air force.... Any forces they deploy have to be donated by member countries and paid for by the donor countries. The boots don't hit the ground until the Security Council agrees to the deployment and troops are found.

... and even then the troops are still under the control of the contributing countries chains of command, not the U.N..

Battle of Mogadishu (1993)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_...shu_%281993%29

[Rogers]

Without the U.N. there would be no global co-ordinated attempt to stop the spread of diseases such as the H5N1 strain of bird flu.

Global spread of H5N1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_spread_of_H5N1

UN: H5N1 responses improving, but threat persists
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/apic/influ...7unreport.html
FAO reports downturn in H5N1 outbreaks for 2007
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/con...ec1907fao.html

The Influenza Pandemic of 1918
The influenza pandemic of 1918-1919 killed more people than the Great War, known today as World War I (WWI), at somewhere between 20 and 40 million people. It has been cited as the most devastating epidemic in recorded world history. More people died of influenza in a single year than in four-years of the Black Death Bubonic Plague from 1347 to 1351. Known as "Spanish Flu" or "La Grippe" the influenza of 1918-1919 was a global disaster.
http://virus.stanford.edu/uda/

Yet your boy Ron Paul, El Nino, want the U.S. out of the U.N.. As chefmike would say, LMFAO and SMDH.