GGs have the biggest issue with transsexuals

[nina_lisa]

Why choose between GG or TS? Include both and double your fun. Your chances too.

Have 2 women nag you instead of one? sounds like a good deal

[Dino Velvet]

I'm totally with you on that, Dino. And anyways, for what difference there is if you want to consider any, it's not worth making any fuss...

Worst case scenario there's still 2 places to put your wiener. Most GGs I know board up one of 'em anyway. Apples and Funholes.

[nycguy1]

I swear women feel threatened. They get all catty when you’re more attractive than them or you get more attention, they think “and she isn’t even a real girl”.

i have seen "real" girls with vaginas who had nasty mustaches and one even had a beard (not joking). some of them act like men. it's disgusting. then i have seen transgirls who are incredibly feminine and define what it is to be female - submissive, sexy, soft, gentle, all dolled-up (when i look at new york city women, they mostly - 51% or more - dress like men, in hoodies and jeans instead of tight skirts, dresses, heels, etc.), and no beard or mustache.

a man uses and enjoys a girl's vagina or penis (on a tgirl) for a short time. rest of the time, he is dealing with her directly. is she a girl? is she feminine? does she know how to treat a man? etc. etc. the vagina isn't doing that, she is.

quick story about what a girl should be like imo: i once went on a date with a gg who refused to let me hold the door for her amongst other things. she would not allow me to take a dominant role. i remember asking her (that's right, ASKING, not simply doing it, because i understood i am not allowed to be a male in pro-feminist american society. it is wrong to dominate and show the traditional male side) if i can drop her off at the tram that goes to roosevelt island i think. it was 10 pm at night in the summer. crime rises in the summer. we were near the apple store on 5th avenue. she said she will walk home alone. i understand everyone is different but these things were shocking. any one of these behaviors to me is a huge turn-off. in all cultures, it is feminine and girl-like to let the man take care of you. maybe she had a feminist complex or some other idea about what a girl should be like. i would not define her as a "real girl" by any means.

[Rusty Eldora]

Interesting read, even if it is almost 5 years old. Anyone know what happened to TS Julie, she hasn't posted in over a year.

My own 2 cents on when to tell, well in college a guy friend suddenly came onto me, our friendship tanked. I wasn't the most successful with women at the time (a bit nerdy) and it felt threatening and I couldn't be gay. In my 50's I've seen gg escorts and have gg girlfriends. I was into TS porn a bit, but was getting curious, but afraid how I would react badly seeing, touching, sucking, and being topped by a T girl. It turned out I really loved it, but what if???

I think a T girl needs to be careful with a str8 guy in initial dating, but there is no need to tell until intimacy will be occurring. But kissing before knowing could be bad, and he could freak out. Most guys would need to think this a bit before deciding.

Most relationships are based on both intimacy and friendships and go far beyond sex. Its a challenge for anybody, being TG probably makes it harder as there is a smaller band between the start of acceptance and being a chaser.

As to the GG having bigger issue with TS, I see it. GG's seem OK with Lesbian as it is not competition, but competition for guys they want can drive them crazy.

[phillyguy21]

A lot of people (on both sides) have made good points in this thread. This has been a really interesting read. Julie and Kelly were getting a bit too defensive, though. Sure, we guys don't know what it's like to live your life. I will concede that fact every time. However, we are men, and we know how men think. Therefore, you shouldn't discount a guys input because it's something you don't want to hear. I tell GGs the same thing...if anything, you should listen to a guy's advice more than a girl.

Sure, there is no one-size-fits-all solution. However, a basic protocol I would suggest would be the following: Tell him in the first or second phone conversation. This is assuming that you met the guy out at a club, bar, sidewalk, grocery store, etc., and exchanged numbers. Don't tell him immediately upon meeting him at the venue, because you subject yourself to danger if he is an insecure dude with his friends around. Also, you don't want to wait until dates wherein he has spent money on you and/or gotten physical with you, because you come off as being deceptive and manipulative (even if that was not your intention). However, one of those initial phone conversations can be the perfect time. I'm not telling you to pick up the phone and say, "I'm trans." Build rapport, and talk to him. However, you should have a way to tell him at the end of a phone call or two, IMO.

Now, I totally understand that it is easier said than done. I hate having to tell people news, about which they might have a negative reaction. Therefore, I can empathize. However, like some others have said, there are tgirls who get seriously hurt and/or killed over shit like this, and just handling it in a smart way can help prevent the worst from happening.

[nina_lisa]

My personal experience, is that no gender, race, religion, nationality, social background, ethnicity,....etc have a monopoly on hatred and bigotry.

Some men are supportive, other are full of hatred, some women are supportive, some women are jealous and full of hatred.

I've had GG friend that been nothing but accepting and supportive, an there when I needed someone to speak with.

[nina_lisa]

i have seen "real" girls with vaginas who had nasty mustaches and one even had a beard (not joking). some of them act like men. it's disgusting. then i have seen transgirls who are incredibly feminine and define what it is to be female - submissive, sexy, soft, gentle, all dolled-up (when i look at new york city women, they mostly - 51% or more - dress like men, in hoodies and jeans instead of tight skirts, dresses, heels, etc.), and no beard or mustache.

a man uses and enjoys a girl's vagina or penis (on a tgirl) for a short time. rest of the time, he is dealing with her directly. is she a girl? is she feminine? does she know how to treat a man? etc. etc. the vagina isn't doing that, she is.

I would 90% agree with you.

GG: specially if you are in a city like NYC, it is competitive, people are career oriented, and if you are a girly girl, many people will not take you seriously.

Trans girl: sometime we tend to over compensate what we were denied during our childhood (been feminine).

A trans girl can be walking down the street, hear someone say: that is a man. And she will question everything about herself. Does this dress make me less or more feminine, is it my haircut than made me look like a man? If I have this hairstyle, would I look more passable?

Many times a GG can go out of the shower, have her hair wet, wear her BF suite and tie and still look like a woman, you can not always say the same about all ts women, so sometimes we need to go the extra mile.

This said I don't 100% agree, the trans community does have a lot of diversity, you have ts women that wear jeans and hoodies, that are androgynous or even butch.

[amberskyi]

I would 90% agree with you.

GG: specially if you are in a city like NYC, it is competitive, people are career oriented, and if you are a girly girl, many people will not take you seriously.

Trans girl: sometime we tend to over compensate what we were denied during our childhood (been feminine).

A trans girl can be walking down the street, hear someone say: that is a man. And she will question everything about herself. Does this dress make me less or more feminine, is it my haircut than made me look like a man? If I have this hairstyle, would I look more passable?

Many times a GG can go out of the shower, have her hair wet, wear her BF suite and tie and still look like a woman, you can not always say the same about all ts women, so sometimes we need to go the extra mile.

This said I don't 100% agree, the trans community does have a lot of diversity, you have ts women that wear jeans and hoodies, that are androgynous or even butch.

very well stated.who ever gave this post a thumbs down is an asshole

[SXFX]

So you are surprised that women are acting bitchy?
Really? Really? What are you going to tell me next? That water is wet, fire is hot and wind blows?
Really?
Ok stand back while i blow you fucking mind.
Women have one thing and one thing going for them. That they are cute/hot. Once they stop being cute/hot well let me put it this way...I can't see personality from across the fucking bar. So every hour of every day women get older and another very cute very young very supple girl turns 21 and walks into the club and the older girls get older and have one more woman to compete with.

We men on the other hand? Well every hour of every day I'm worth more, i'm more mature and oh yeah better looking. Young punks coming into the club jacked and fist bumping may do ok but in the long run it's the 6 figure nigger aka me who takes the girl home.

To sum it up, woman age like french bread and well we men age like fine wine.

So as you TS girls become "ladies" you just have to understand that you just become another vagina in the pool and well your best friend now has to worry about you stealing that prized man she had her heart on. And adding insult to injury? Well.....let's be honest you didn't start off as a woman now did you? They feel you have cheated and are cheating them out of a chance with that "perfect man".

Get use to it. It's life.