Disgusted

[echimandu]

Ok Kel, I'll bite, you are disgusted because......

It's fairly obvious with the mens attitudes on here. Dissing our looks, calling us "stupid bitches", etc etc etc manners has been way forgotten on here.

And when men don't act like this they are called kiss asses. Which is utter ridiculous or when girls give each other compliments we are kissing each others asses. It's so lame.

Wrong Kelly! As far as I can see, the girls who are dissed here are the ones who have disgusting attitudes towards men. Calling them fag, and queer and the like for no reason. Not saying that you do this Kel, but you know who does. Someone in Texas is well known for this. Among others. Hey, you get what you put out.

[echimandu]

Now that makes me curious a little bit. Care to elaborate? Preferribly in private. I in fact do speak my mind, I am not faceless at all and I had a relationship with a TS for one year. Does that make me an expert? Obviously not but I am not your average dream jockey.

Elaborate on what? No girl here wants to be fucked with. That's it. The more the guys look thrive on drama, the more they'll get called fags and immature. I hate to break the news to you, but it IS gay. And trying to make excuses for it is even gayer. Is that shocking?

I think most guys here are transitional gay, can't fault 'em for that. There's a lot of people on this forum though, what ya gonna do?

It's complicated.

You know, it is true what they say about you. You really are a dumbfuck.

[echimandu]

i appreciate that, i really do. what was so depressing about that episode is it wasn't just one guy. suddenly there was a whole bushel of guys out for blood just because i was honest enough to confess i was a woman in transition!

Hum I'm going to let you in on a little secret.
WE MEN ARE DUMB!It's simple we are really stupid. On a good day we aren't half bad but on a bad day....wow watch out! We can be really stupid. And this man was a total jerk. The bouncers should have hauled his ass out of there ASAP!
And along they way they should have bounced his head off some walls, the floor and the door!
As for a solution to this problem, hun I don't know.
Mayb it's a good thing? No one night stands with random guys at bars?
Which totally sucks for me because....well a man can hope right?
But don't look at it in a bad light, ok so you met a total A-hole! His loss.
But maybe you should just give a guy your number and tell him over the phone. That way you are safe. And after all that's what matters most in this world, your personal safety and happiness.
But next time you are out at a club and you see some guy, shaved head gotee brown eyes a bit of a tan who allways requests Daft Punk.....it's me. And if you get in troubble just aks and I'll jump in and do my best to help ok.
And hun, from the entire male population, i know it doesn't mean much but, I'm sorry!

Dude, please speak for your fucking self!!!!!!!

[lust4ts]

Kel I understand that you are disgusted and that is fair enough!

But I am disgusted by Jen and the way she refers to and treats people, the Poll NR made is maybe over the top and a bit too harsh but it is retaliation to her making polls about him.

It's not really fair to define that calling guys fags and queers and chasers all the time is any different to calling girls men or using the way they look in arguments.

With the Mimi shit, Jen ripped into the way Mimi looked, called her a man on lots of occasions. But because she is another girl it is somehow OK. She goes around here in the threads calling girls men and hideous, I seem to remember when you were not friends with her she was happy to call you a man and a whore. Why is it one rule for her, one for another?

I have never agreed with either people’s views before, all the fights with NR and Nicole and Jen I stayed out of it. How is bringing someone’s dead parents into it, any worse than calling someone a man, they are both as bad as each other.

I respect all the girls here as women, and me and NR's views do differ but I support his right to do the same things that many girls do themselves here.

It is a fact that when a girl does something like this people turn a blind eye and say, "Oh she's just having a laugh" or, "She's just being bitchy" but when a guy says it, it is suddenly overly offensive.

Kel you know I like and you are a sweet girl, but if you feel so strongly about those points, when Jen was calling Mimi a man, and saying she is a ugly bitch, why were you not disgusted then.

I see your point and agree with it, my plight is with the double standards and unfairness.

And do you think if Jen had a picture of NR and there was anything in it to use against him, she wouldn't?

She brought me into this shit for questioning her view point, and I am not calling her a man, but she is a vicious hypocritical, whining to mods, ban advocating CUNT! And I stand by that.

[echimandu]

generalisations are lame. Name it, you mean nightrider and lust4ts. They had disputes recently with nicole dupree and tsntx. NONE of them is innocent in those flamewars.

I am disgusted too, by the tendency of SOME HHA that they obviously believe ANY men who is on this site is

A)a cockhound
B)a chaser

will this end? no, sadly enough all likely not. Not many have the personal souveregnity to have disputes WITHOUT namecalling or to move on , or to let it go.

good that we have sorted that out, but I d like to hear your opinion on my other points, disrespect towards the guys?

You know for instance, we are likely to get shit for beeing on the downlow, but if some guy with experience with a TS is open about it, he is deemed a "chaser" by many TS. What is oyur stance on that?

Souveregnity?" Anyway...

You're comparing our real life experiences with the frat boy vibe of the forum. No one is accusing many of the guys in question of any of those things because they're self-admittedly inexperienced. There's a lot of variation with the guys here, but certain ones are the common denominators in most of the friction here. And you, mbf, obviously get off on playing devil's advocate consistently against the girls. But plain and simple: the girls should not be the easy targets here.

1. We're outnumbered by guys who are faceless amateurs in the world of Tgirls.

2. Certain guys are as guilty of acting like irate hairdressers with one another as they are with the girls.

3. I sometimes think that many guys here are jealous of the attention we get, and feel a need to take us down a few pegs for forum fame, which is pathetic. Well good luck, because the reality away from the keyboard is not changing. Accept that , essentially, you're the "fans" and we're the "stars". Most of you would pay for our images and attention outside of this forum. And I think that we all act pretty graciously and nice to you considering that obvious difference. It's a thrill for many guys to able to talk to, say, Danielle or Vicki. Why should a handful of guys fuck that up for the majority?
And Night rider, I'm not targeting you here. This dynamic has existed and been the sad truth about this forum for years.

This explains a lot about you. Now I see why you are the way you are. COMPLETELY FUCKING DELUDED! You're the the stars? LMFAO. Not one girl here is a star to me. Their people that work in the sex industry. PERIOD! Get a clue. See, I've been on the scene for a number of years. Long enough to have fucked a well known tranny porno performer from the late 80's-early 90's. Next time you make a stupid blanket statement like that, be aware that not everyone here is a rookie or a chaser.

[echimandu]

Kel I understand that you are disgusted and that is fair enough!

But I am disgusted by Jen and the way she refers to and treats people, the Poll NR made is maybe over the top and a bit too harsh but it is retaliation to her making polls about him.

It's not really fair to define that calling guys fags and queers and chasers all the time is any different to calling girls men or using the way they look in arguments.

With the Mimi shit, Jen ripped into the way Mimi looked, called her a man on lots of occasions. But because she is another girl it is somehow OK. She goes around here in the threads calling girls men and hideous, I seem to remember when you were not friends with her she was happy to call you a man and a whore. Why is it one rule for her, one for another?

I have never agreed with either people’s views before, all the fights with NR and Nicole and Jen I stayed out of it. How is bringing someone’s dead parents into it, any worse than calling someone a man, they are both as bad as each other.

I respect all the girls here as women, and me and NR's views do differ but I support his right to do the same things that many girls do themselves here.

It is a fact that when a girl does something like this people turn a blind eye and say, "Oh she's just having a laugh" or, "She's just being bitchy" but when a guy says it, it is suddenly overly offensive.

Kel you know I like and you are a sweet girl, but if you feel so strongly about those points, when Jen was calling Mimi a man, and saying she is a ugly bitch, why were you not disgusted then.

I see your point and agree with it, my plight is with the double standards and unfairness.

And do you think if Jen had a picture of NR and there was anything in it to use against him, she wouldn't?

She brought me into this shit for questioning her view point, and I am not calling her a man, but she is a vicious hypocritical, whining to mods, ban advocating CUNT! And I stand by that.

Thank you lust. This says it all. All so very true. Of course Kelly will twist all of this somehow and try to flip it so it really doesn't make as much sense as it does.

[tollroad]

All I'm saying is that the girls deserve as much or more energy being defended from people like tollroad as what guys here put into arguing with a transsexual. Grown men don't argue with women. I'm sorry.

Boy George thought he was a woman once. If you say it enough, of course it is true.

[echimandu]

generalisations are lame. Name it, you mean nightrider and lust4ts. They had disputes recently with nicole dupree and tsntx. NONE of them is innocent in those flamewars.

I am disgusted too, by the tendency of SOME HHA that they obviously believe ANY men who is on this site is

A)a cockhound
B)a chaser

will this end? no, sadly enough all likely not. Not many have the personal souveregnity to have disputes WITHOUT namecalling or to move on , or to let it go.

good that we have sorted that out, but I d like to hear your opinion on my other points, disrespect towards the guys?

You know for instance, we are likely to get shit for beeing on the downlow, but if some guy with experience with a TS is open about it, he is deemed a "chaser" by many TS. What is oyur stance on that?

Souveregnity?" Anyway...

You're comparing our real life experiences with the frat boy vibe of the forum. No one is accusing many of the guys in question of any of those things because they're self-admittedly inexperienced. There's a lot of variation with the guys here, but certain ones are the common denominators in most of the friction here. And you, mbf, obviously get off on playing devil's advocate consistently against the girls. But plain and simple: the girls should not be the easy targets here.

1. We're outnumbered by guys who are faceless amateurs in the world of Tgirls.

2. Certain guys are as guilty of acting like irate hairdressers with one another as they are with the girls.

3. I sometimes think that many guys here are jealous of the attention we get, and feel a need to take us down a few pegs for forum fame, which is pathetic. Well good luck, because the reality away from the keyboard is not changing. Accept that , essentially, you're the "fans" and we're the "stars". Most of you would pay for our images and attention outside of this forum. And I think that we all act pretty graciously and nice to you considering that obvious difference. It's a thrill for many guys to able to talk to, say, Danielle or Vicki. Why should a handful of guys fuck that up for the majority?
And Night rider, I'm not targeting you here. This dynamic has existed and been the sad truth about this forum for years.

This explains a lot about you. Now I see why you are the way you are. COMPLETELY FUCKING DELUDED! You're the the stars? LMFAO. Not one girl here is a star to me. Their people that work in the sex industry. PERIOD! Get a clue. See, I've been on the scene for a number of years. Long enough to have fucked a well known tranny porno performer from the late 80's-early 90's. Next time you make a stupid blanket statement like that, be aware that not everyone here is a rookie or a chaser.

I didn't ask for a resume'. But when did I say "every guy"? Why are you thinking it's about you for some reason? I don't think I'm a star; I put star in quotes because I was using the term loosely.But this is a transsexual forum. The Tgirls are the women that you all supposedly are attracted to and like, right? So why are you shocked that we expect some common courtesy?

Give it and it will be returned. I stand by that. I can't speak for every guy here. But thats how I roll.

[lust4ts]

So why are you shocked that we expect some common courtesy?

You are correct, but it works both ways, what is the difference between calling guys who like Transsexuals Fags, chasers, queers and calling Transsexuals men. Both are wrong so why is one any more exceptable than the other?

If you want to be seen as women, which incidentally I see you as, you can't then turn around and say we are fags for having an interest in you when it suits you, that is ridiculous.

And when Jen was calling Mimi an ugly bitch and a man, why were you OK with that?

[tollroad]

If you want to be seen as women, which incidentally I see you as, you can then turn around and say we are fags for having an interest in you when it suits you, that is ridiculous.

As long as you chase post-ops, then you are not gay.