Towards an improved understanding of what a woman is...

[Night Rider]

Shoepolish would do the job but someone of Rod's class would use some Just For Men - The Rejuvenator

It works on 1970s German Porno mustaches aswell, which I'm sure Rod has to distract people from his comb-over.

[vegasboy]

We're going off on a tangent here. Back to the balding...I mean if he has no hair then what's to worry about the color. I saw a stirring testimonial from this guy below talking about the emotional toll that losing your hair takes, particularly for older gay men. This guy below is testament to the fact that if you keep the faith there is hope for the follically challenged.

[Night Rider]

We're going off on a tangent here. Back to the balding...I mean if he has no hair then what's to worry about the color.

That's a good point...maybe he just wants to take a year or two off his looks.

I saw a stirring testimonial from this guy below talking about the emotional toll that losing your hair takes, particularly for older gay men. This guy below is testament to the fact that if you keep the faith there is hope for the follically challenged.

That's the thing, it's a constant battle because if he's stressing about the situation then he can kiss goodbye to his Homer Simpson hairstyle.

[bezane]

If the hair thing has you down, go to Hasson. They are experts, undetectable. They do transsexuals to perfection. My ex went there for some work. In Vancouver. Or go to Sharon Keene in Tucson. Both are great.

http://www.hassonandwong.com/

[Rod la Rod]

Hello vegas "gay" boy .

So you are into bald men also. You guys are really obsessed with my appearance. I am flattered but like I said I am not into dudes. So I don't really care If you find me cute
I guess you and your little bitch are probably the prettiest little gay fem bitches on the board. Congratulations bitches. You are prettier than me.

Night Rider has already "come out" to mom that he is into Dick. You 2 should hook up.

Since I am a man and not a boy. I won't be able to spend all day with you girls today. Daddy has grown up business to take care of.

Night Rider will have to spend all day in cat fights with the girls like he does all day every day.

Here is something for you and your little boy friend "night rider" to jack off to.

Bye ladies, I will be back later to check on you 2.

Granted, this is an unfortunate handle, but I chose it once to browse, and can change it since I have only 60 odd posts. Every day you sign on here you're choosing not to remove that gay avatar, featuring some crooning faggot with a pompadour that you said is a sex symbol in the London gay scene. Think about it. Didn't you dare somebody to badmouth that guy in San Francisco ?

I wouldn't have joined the little debate except I saw in the other thread you said something about wanting to pound some guy's new vagina. I know you thought this was funny but some of us are here for the girls...we don't see other guys as potential post-ops to make passes at.

Another thing. It is kind of funny that he found that post of yours. You're 49, which is nearly three decades my senior you're fucking bald or knocking on the door of being bald. It's a matter of time. Every day you're gonna wake up and see more hair on the pillow ..and think maybe I should use the rogaine AND the propecia..maybe I should get a rug...maybe I should spraypaint my 49 year old scalp. No big deal, just go bald with dignity...you are afterall nearly a senior citizen.

Why are you interested in my hairline and my age if you are here for the girls? Look fag stop judging my looks I am not interested in a gay vegas chorus boy. I am not here to impress you or your gay buddies.

You are on the wrong board. STOP CONCENTRATING ON ME. YOU ARE A FUCKING FAG. I HAVE NO INTEREST IN YOU. GET OFF MY DICK QUEER.

I DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT WHAT YOU LOOK LIKE OR YOUR HAIR OR YOUR DICK SIZE. LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE YOU PATHETIC FUCKING VEGAS CHORUS QUEEN.

THAT IS NOT BETTE MIDLER IN MY AVATAR. THAT IS GENE VINCENT YOU FUCKING FAG.

[vegasboy]

I just got a nice pm from alopecia Rod telling me to back off with the personal commentary. Apparently that's Gene Vincent in his avatar, the gay rockabilly star...you can see him on the weekends rolling around in a barn somewhere with Peter North. I'm sorry, I don't know why you think his status as a redneck would do anything but enhance his credentials as a peterpuffer.

I've also started to notice some hostility from you towards the younger crowd here...like a type of reverse age-ism. This combined with the frequent sexual innuendo makes me think that you don't see transsexuals as women at all, but "boys" in drag. Kind of insulting don't ya think, and frightening if you're under the age of 25 and having some older man with a receding hairline trying to convince you you're really femme???? Get some help. Not interested in the sexual tension you keep trying to draw into this conversation.

Perhaps the propecia is converting to estrogen..I'm a quick study...I saw on line that the side-effects are apparently androgynous characters...and the production of thin, downlike hair. So you'll be producing feathers on your head before you get your actual hair back...so good luck.

[Rod la Rod]

Fuck you fag. Where is your avatar fag. couldn't find Bette Midler?

[vegasboy]

bump...

[elo]

I know how it feels to be a woman because I am a woman. And I won't be classified as just a man. -- Pete Townshend

For all those who believe women are defined by their assertion of whatever they feel in their minds, I'm sure you'll agree that Pete makes a fine woman.

Among the more rational here, most probably understand that being female person (a woman) is a more objective status than simply how a person feels. A person may feel like a woman but still be a man. Changing your sex ultimately requires a physical change, with removal of masculine physical characteristics; not simply the assertion of a different frame of mind and the purchase of a new wardrobe. For example, if you say "sex change" or "sex reassignment" to most anyone, both the connotation (and the denotation in most cases) is not only the assumption of a feminine appearance, but the surgical removal of male organs and construction of female organs. To have either a feminine appearance and male sex organs, or female external genitalia and masculine characteristics, will not be enough to be considered a woman.

This is true no matter how much the activists scream that a non-op transgenderist is a woman. A man might try to present himself in the female gender role, but even if he does so successfully, he will not be a woman as long as his sex remains unchanged. When determining what constitutes the female sex, we should look to what exists in the natural world. A female person with XY chromosomes (as in Swyer's Syndrome) or lack of internal female sex organs (mullerian agenesis) is a female not only socially but medically as well. A woman with ovarian cancer may have all her internal genital organs removed but she is still a woman. Similarly, if we seek to be women, we may never be able to change our chromosomal status or carry a baby, we can still become a female sexually. This necessitates changing our physical appearance, including that of our sex organs, as completely as possible. Therefore, simply assuming a feminine gender role, while retaining a penis, will never equate to being a female person (woman). If a person with a penis wants to be considered a woman, most people will not consider that person to be a woman, even if a judge decrees that person to be a female person under the law. Polite social interaction may require using feminine pronouns, but to most people, the shemale or preoperative transsexual is not female.

Similarly, transsexual (in the cases of male-to-females) implies someone who has at least begun the process of changing sex from male to female. If a person has no intention of undergoing sex reassignment surgery, i.e., he wants to keep his penis, that person should not consider himself to be transsexual. Such people ("non-op") may be transgender or committed transvestites, but they are not transsexual nor are they women.

A woman looks like a woman even when she is not wearing clothes. Women cannot have penises, and people should not deceive themselves by believing otherwise.

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By that logic, "women" must also have child-bearing hips and a uterus. Post-ops get have their cake and eat it too?

This is so true. And all women DO have a uterus. If not, then there's a birth defect, in which that wouldn't count in this conversation.

He's just worried that if he's attracted to pre-ops, it means he's gay. Well M2F transsexuals are women, but they're women who for some amount of time are "works in progress". SRS should be the final operation; not the one that proves anything. And that's if we ever get it at all. For most of us, it's painfully obvious by puberty that we are not GG's. We learn to accept that, hopefully, and do the next best thing which is transition. But that transition is not to get validation from a scumbag like him. I think I want srs eventually, but I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

You mean post-op.

[tollroad]

I know how it feels to be a woman because I am a woman. And I won't be classified as just a man. -- Pete Townshend

For all those who believe women are defined by their assertion of whatever they feel in their minds, I'm sure you'll agree that Pete makes a fine woman.

Among the more rational here, most probably understand that being female person (a woman) is a more objective status than simply how a person feels. A person may feel like a woman but still be a man. Changing your sex ultimately requires a physical change, with removal of masculine physical characteristics; not simply the assertion of a different frame of mind and the purchase of a new wardrobe. For example, if you say "sex change" or "sex reassignment" to most anyone, both the connotation (and the denotation in most cases) is not only the assumption of a feminine appearance, but the surgical removal of male organs and construction of female organs. To have either a feminine appearance and male sex organs, or female external genitalia and masculine characteristics, will not be enough to be considered a woman.

This is true no matter how much the activists scream that a non-op transgenderist is a woman. A man might try to present himself in the female gender role, but even if he does so successfully, he will not be a woman as long as his sex remains unchanged. When determining what constitutes the female sex, we should look to what exists in the natural world. A female person with XY chromosomes (as in Swyer's Syndrome) or lack of internal female sex organs (mullerian agenesis) is a female not only socially but medically as well. A woman with ovarian cancer may have all her internal genital organs removed but she is still a woman. Similarly, if we seek to be women, we may never be able to change our chromosomal status or carry a baby, we can still become a female sexually. This necessitates changing our physical appearance, including that of our sex organs, as completely as possible. Therefore, simply assuming a feminine gender role, while retaining a penis, will never equate to being a female person (woman). If a person with a penis wants to be considered a woman, most people will not consider that person to be a woman, even if a judge decrees that person to be a female person under the law. Polite social interaction may require using feminine pronouns, but to most people, the shemale or preoperative transsexual is not female.

Similarly, transsexual (in the cases of male-to-females) implies someone who has at least begun the process of changing sex from male to female. If a person has no intention of undergoing sex reassignment surgery, i.e., he wants to keep his penis, that person should not consider himself to be transsexual. Such people ("non-op") may be transgender or committed transvestites, but they are not transsexual nor are they women.

A woman looks like a woman even when she is not wearing clothes. Women cannot have penises, and people should not deceive themselves by believing otherwise.

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By that logic, "women" must also have child-bearing hips and a uterus. Post-ops get have their cake and eat it too?

This is so true. And all women DO have a uterus. If not, then there's a birth defect, in which that wouldn't count in this conversation.

No, some women have a hysterectomy for a variety of reasons, and they are still women.