Towards an improved understanding of what a woman is...

[Night Rider]

I think you're right nightrider. There's no evidence that the propecia isn't working, except of course for the front of his hairline, which he seemed to state as an exception. So he has a nice head of hair with a fifteen inch forehead and a severe tanline on his scalp.

I'm sure it looks great.

Yeah, I'm sure it's worth every cent

[62des]

I know how it feels to be a woman because I am a woman. And I won't be classified as just a man. -- Pete Townshend

For all those who believe women are defined by their assertion of whatever they feel in their minds, I'm sure you'll agree that Pete makes a fine woman.

Among the more rational here, most probably understand that being female person (a woman) is a more objective status than simply how a person feels. A person may feel like a woman but still be a man. Changing your sex ultimately requires a physical change, with removal of masculine physical characteristics; not simply the assertion of a different frame of mind and the purchase of a new wardrobe. For example, if you say "sex change" or "sex reassignment" to most anyone, both the connotation (and the denotation in most cases) is not only the assumption of a feminine appearance, but the surgical removal of male organs and construction of female organs. To have either a feminine appearance and male sex organs, or female external genitalia and masculine characteristics, will not be enough to be considered a woman.

This is true no matter how much the activists scream that a non-op transgenderist is a woman. A man might try to present himself in the female gender role, but even if he does so successfully, he will not be a woman as long as his sex remains unchanged. When determining what constitutes the female sex, we should look to what exists in the natural world. A female person with XY chromosomes (as in Swyer's Syndrome) or lack of internal female sex organs (mullerian agenesis) is a female not only socially but medically as well. A woman with ovarian cancer may have all her internal genital organs removed but she is still a woman. Similarly, if we seek to be women, we may never be able to change our chromosomal status or carry a baby, we can still become a female sexually. This necessitates changing our physical appearance, including that of our sex organs, as completely as possible. Therefore, simply assuming a feminine gender role, while retaining a penis, will never equate to being a female person (woman). If a person with a penis wants to be considered a woman, most people will not consider that person to be a woman, even if a judge decrees that person to be a female person under the law. Polite social interaction may require using feminine pronouns, but to most people, the shemale or preoperative transsexual is not female.

Similarly, transsexual (in the cases of male-to-females) implies someone who has at least begun the process of changing sex from male to female. If a person has no intention of undergoing sex reassignment surgery, i.e., he wants to keep his penis, that person should not consider himself to be transsexual. Such people ("non-op") may be transgender or committed transvestites, but they are not transsexual nor are they women.

A woman looks like a woman even when she is not wearing clothes. Women cannot have penises, and people should not deceive themselves by believing otherwise.

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By that logic, "women" must also have child-bearing hips and a uterus. Post-ops get have their cake and eat it too?

This is so true. And all women DO have a uterus. If not, then there's a birth defect, in which that wouldn't count in this conversation.

[Rod la Rod]

I think you're right nightrider. There's no evidence that the propecia isn't working, except of course for the front of his hairline, which he seemed to state as an exception. So he has a nice head of hair with a fifteen inch forehead and a severe tanline on his scalp.

I'm sure it looks great.

Hello vegas "gay" boy .

So you are into bald men also. You guys are really obsessed with my appearance. I am flattered but like I said I am not into dudes. So I don't really care If you find me cute
I guess you and your little bitch are probably the prettiest little gay fem bitches on the board. Congratulations bitches. You are prettier than me.

Night Rider has already "come out" to mom that he is into Dick. You 2 should hook up.

Since I am a man and not a boy. I won't be able to spend all day with you girls today. Daddy has grown up business to take care of.

Night Rider will have to spend all day in cat fights with the girls like he does all day every day.

Here is something for you and your little boy friend "night rider" to jack off to.

Bye ladies, I will be back later to check on you 2.

[Night Rider]

You guys are really obsessed with my appearance.

Sorry to let you down Rodney but we don't really give a fuck what you look like, it's you that has the insecurities going by your previous posts.

I don't really care If you think I am bald.

For someone that doesn't care you seem to spend all of your time on HA debating whether you have 5 or 6 strands of hair left.

I guess you and your little bitch are probably the prettiest little gay fem bitches on the board. Congratulations bitches. You are prettier than me.

Is that what you've been running through your head at night? How pretty me and vegasboy are? This baldness has took it's toll on your mental health.

Night Rider has already "come out" to mom that he is into Dick. You 2 should hook up.

No, most of my family know I'm into tgirls, they know I'm not a cockbandit.

Since I am a man and not a boy. I won't be able to spend all day with you girls today. Daddy has grown up business to take care of.

I take it that means you're going out to fill a trolly full of Propecia in the post-xmas sales?

Night Rider will have to spend all day in cat fights with the girls like he does all day every day.

I've only argued with one or two girls but there's no girls I've problems with at the minute.

Bye ladies, I will be back later to check on you 2.

Why, where are you going? The hairdressers.........oh shit, sorry

By that stage you could well be down to 4 hairs.....try and keep the stress levels to a minimum.

[Rod la Rod]

For someone who claims to have a full, youthful head of hair you certainly don't mind spending $1800 each year. I'm sure there's a logical reason behind all this madness that I've overlooked.

Right I guess for you $1800 is more than your annual salary. Here is an idea why don't you get out of that filthy shack that you sit in all day. Maybe go outside and blow the stink off.

Wouldn't it be nice to take a break from sitting in your own feces?

[Night Rider]

For someone who claims to have a full, youthful head of hair you certainly don't mind spending $1800 each year. I'm sure there's a logical reason behind all this madness that I've overlooked.

Right I guess for you $1800 is more than your annual salary. Here is an idea why don't you get out of that filthy shack that you sit in all day. Maybe go outside and blow the stink off.

Wouldn't it be nice to take a break from sitting in your own feces?

I'm not exactly rich but I'm earning an above average salary. $1800 could get you a holiday package rather than waste it on hair loss tablets, especially if you're not bald like you claim

[vegasboy]

Hello vegas "gay" boy .

So you are into bald men also. You guys are really obsessed with my appearance. I am flattered but like I said I am not into dudes. So I don't really care If you find me cute
I guess you and your little bitch are probably the prettiest little gay fem bitches on the board. Congratulations bitches. You are prettier than me.

Night Rider has already "come out" to mom that he is into Dick. You 2 should hook up.

Since I am a man and not a boy. I won't be able to spend all day with you girls today. Daddy has grown up business to take care of.

Night Rider will have to spend all day in cat fights with the girls like he does all day every day.

Here is something for you and your little boy friend "night rider" to jack off to.

Bye ladies, I will be back later to check on you 2.

Granted, this is an unfortunate handle, but I chose it once to browse, and can change it since I have only 60 odd posts. Every day you sign on here you're choosing not to remove that gay avatar, featuring some crooning faggot with a pompadour that you said is a sex symbol in the London gay scene. Think about it. Didn't you dare somebody to badmouth that guy in San Francisco ?

I wouldn't have joined the little debate except I saw in the other thread you said something about wanting to pound some guy's new vagina. I know you thought this was funny but some of us are here for the girls...we don't see other guys as potential post-ops to make passes at.

Another thing. It is kind of funny that he found that post of yours. You're 49, which is nearly three decades my senior you're fucking bald or knocking on the door of being bald. It's a matter of time. Every day you're gonna wake up and see more hair on the pillow ..and think maybe I should use the rogaine AND the propecia..maybe I should get a rug...maybe I should spraypaint my 49 year old scalp. No big deal, just go bald with dignity...you are afterall nearly a senior citizen.

[vegasboy]

Hey Rod,
don't take it to heart. What did you think of that Kevin Spacey that was linked? I don't mean do you think he'd look good as a woman. I mean, would you say you have more or less hair than that? Serious question. Anyhow live long and prosper.

[Night Rider]

Every day you're gonna wake up and see more hair on the pillow ..and think maybe I should use the rogaine AND the propecia..maybe I should get a rug...maybe I should spraypaint my 49 year old scalp. No big deal, just go bald with dignity...you are afterall nearly a senior citizen.

It is a big deal for Rodney because with his self estem and at his age, hair is the only thing he has to cling onto. He's only a couple more years of coming it over from the side until he's completely bald.

[vegasboy]

Yeah, but what's he do about the color. Premature balding is one thing, but for a vain sissy like Rod la Pompadour, I'm sure he needs to shoepolish the hair that he does have.

I'm an optimist...if thing's go well...he can just be like any other guy with a midlife crisis who thinks he's elvis.