HIV and the transsexual

[Azanti]

HIV in the UK is increasing, while in other eurpoean countries it is on the decline.

Food for thought.

[Shining Star]

Interesting.

Some friends and I were discussing the "old days", and the 1980's with all the working girls down in the Meat Packing District, then the bars and such. Topic turned to how many of the girls who worked those venues are either gone because of AIDS, or are HIV positive and do not know, or care to find out. Then you multiply all the men those girls had dates with who not only had unprotected oral, but anal intercourse as well. Further collateral damage would come in the numbers of straight GGs (wives, girlfriends and others) those men had sex with, and one begins to see the vastness of the problem.

For a brief moment it seems the TS scene like the gay scene was all about condom usage, but most girls reported guys don't like their trannie stuff wrapped in latex, to keep customers happy/making money, many girls dropped the mandate.

It really is scary how many girls could be infected and how many dates still insist they can "tell" if a girl has it, or even if they cannot commit unprotected oral and or anal sex.

What is also striking is how many girls run around claiming they make several thousands per day or week, yet cannot be bothered going for at least an annual visit to a doctor, much less a free/GLBT clinic for testing. And people wonder why there are so few "mature" trannies, and or why many trannies stay away from "chasers". OTHO there is a growing movement of guys who like trannies to find girls not on the game, one presumes the risk of AIDs and other diseases has something to do with things.

[johnie]

Here is a quote from the NYC.gov Dept. of Health and Mental Hygiene website (http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/ah/ah.shtml)

"Approximately 1 in 70 New Yorkers is infected with HIV, but the proportion of people in different groups who are infected varies widely:

1 in 40 African Americans.
1 in 25 men living in Manhattan.
1 in 12 black men age 40-49 years.
1 in 10 men who have sex with men.
1 in 8 injection drug users.
1 in 5 black men age 40-49 in Manhattan.
1 in 4 men who have sex with men in Chelsea."


Now, we all know that MTF transsexuals are not Men per se, however, I believe they would be included in the bold statistic above. So a quick check on the eros-ny.com listings of TS/TV working girls shows 161 advertisements, that makes about 16 who are HIV+. JOHNS beware, use rubbers ALWAYS.

The other alarming stat is the 1 in 4 men who have sex with men in Chelsea are HIV+.

Be fun and be SAFE.

[Shining Star]

Just for the record, Chelsea is not the gay mecca it once was, as neither is the West Village. True lots of gay men still make both areas their home, but high rents/living costs, deaths from AIDs (back in the raging 1980's and 1990's), not to mention the real estate boom have cooled things a bit.

Keep in mind there is a difference between HIV positive men who disclose their status to potential dates, and those who operate on the down low. The areas may have large number of gay men, but they could also be men who have been living with AIDS (and in some cases living rather well), for 10, 20 or so years.

More troubling numbers, for me at least are those regarding the minority communites (where many trannies and young gays are coming from these days that are on the game). These persons are less likely to be in positions to demand safe sex from their clients, and or know about risk factors for AIDS in both their private and "business" lives. Many minority men will have nothing to do with AIDS testing, even those with good health plans for several reasons. One, they don't consider being on the "down low" as gay, so they "won't" get the disease. Secondly they are afraid if their status is positive their results will reach their employer and thus the public at large. Much of this ignorace is killing not only minority males, but females as well. Just as with my previous comment, these men sleep with women as well as boys/trannies, thus bringing the maddness home. Often these girls/women do not find out their status until either they become with child (and tests are done by law on the child at birth), or something else causes them to seek medical attention and a test is done to rule things out.

As for TS girls on Eros and otherwise still working, know of several who have been working for YEARS being HIV+. There was also the furore a few years back when a major trannie escort threw herself out a window, and it was revealed after her death she was HIV+ for years and still saw dates, never telling a soul. That shook up a few guys, I shouldn't wonder. This girl was beautiful and a top tier worker as well.

[peggygee]

HIV in the UK is increasing, while in other eurpoean countries it is on the decline.

Food for thought.

One can almost understand the rise of HIV / AID / STIs in the so-
called 'third world'.

Azanti, would you or anyone else care to hazard a guess as to why there
is an increase of HIV in the UK.

Additionally why is it on the decrease in other parts of the European community?

[peggygee]

SS, in your posts above you've touched on a number of things:

You've reminded me of the 'old days' at Peter Rabbits, hanging out on
Christopher Street or the docks, smoking pot with friends looking out on
the river.

Bittersweet memories.

And then came crack and AIDS.

Sex became a life and death matter.

And yeah the crack, 'the monster', and the ravages of time took a hell
of a lot of girls out of here.

I notice that there are a number of guys on the forum who can remeber
'back in the day'.

Rarely will I hear from a transwoman from that time period.

Guess there aren't many of us from the 'old days'.

[Shining Star]

Depending upon where in the UK/Europe one is prossing is not the huge crime it is in most parts of the United States. Pimping, soliciting and other parts of the make up can be crimes, but if you want to pass around cards, or hang out on a stroll prossing that is your bidness. In some instances long as you pay your taxes, are registered and undergo routine mandatory health checks, your on your own.

There is also the fact most European countries have good state health care, which extends to free HIV testing and treatment. Also consider these same countries do not demonize prossing the way the US does. If you are working and minding your own business, long as you are obeying laws and such, no one is going to bother you. You might not be invited to Prince Williams next party, but that is another thing.

Again, part of the problem in the United States is girls are too busy doing other things with their money and or lack the will to put their foot down with clients when it comes to HIV prevention.

In NYC most all persons pleading guilty to or found guilty of a prossing offense are sentenced to an AIDS prevention/awarness session. The session includes free condoms and literature regarding HIV. How much good it does is anyones guess.

I think trannies are in a special situation when it comes to working as their clients almost always want to either (to put it bluntly), suck or get fucked. For the former 98% simply don't like the "taste of latex), the rest may settle for a condom for the later. Consider also how small the hardcore TS scene really is, and you have the makings for a disaster.

It is sort of like six degrees of separation. If one takes one popular escort, and add up the number of dates she sees in any given period. Add to this who those dates have been with before this girl and afterwards, then it is like weeds spreading out in a garden.

One other note, because of the new HIV drugs, young gays and trannies today do not have the memory of seeing full blown AIDS. Persons can be walking around looking like a Vouge or GQ model and still be HIV+. Sadly many girls and dates will throw good sense out the window if a date or girl is "hot" and "looks healthy".

[whatsupwithat]

Depending upon where in the UK/Europe one is prossing is not the huge crime it is in most parts of the United States. Pimping, soliciting and other parts of the make up can be crimes, but if you want to pass around cards, or hang out on a stroll prossing that is your bidness. In some instances long as you pay your taxes, are registered and undergo routine mandatory health checks, your on your own.

There is also the fact most European countries have good state health care, which extends to free HIV testing and treatment. Also consider these same countries do not demonize prossing the way the US does. If you are working and minding your own business, long as you are obeying laws and such, no one is going to bother you. You might not be invited to Prince Williams next party, but that is another thing.

Again, part of the problem in the United States is girls are too busy doing other things with their money and or lack the will to put their foot down with clients when it comes to HIV prevention.

In NYC most all persons pleading guilty to or found guilty of a prossing offense are sentenced to an AIDS prevention/awarness session. The session includes free condoms and literature regarding HIV. How much good it does is anyones guess.

I think trannies are in a special situation when it comes to working as their clients almost always want to either (to put it bluntly), suck or get fucked. For the former 98% simply don't like the "taste of latex), the rest may settle for a condom for the later. Consider also how small the hardcore TS scene really is, and you have the makings for a disaster.

It is sort of like six degrees of separation. If one takes one popular escort, and add up the number of dates she sees in any given period. Add to this who those dates have been with before this girl and afterwards, then it is like weeds spreading out in a garden.

The disaster is already here. People haven't woken up to it. See below.

One other note, because of the new HIV drugs, young gays and trannies today do not have the memory of seeing full blown AIDS. Persons can be walking around looking like a Vouge or GQ model and still be HIV+. Sadly many girls and dates will throw good sense out the window if a date or girl is "hot" and "looks healthy".

There are a couple of factors in public perception that are also leading to unsafe sex and HIV infections.

On one side, you have the pharma companies. From the doctors to key decision makers in the gay community to putting out these ads with muscle-bound, healthy models that are the rarity among those who are on longterm HIV meds, they've taken over HIV health policy. Now, combine that with a politically correct approach to safe sex/hiv/aids awareness advertising where no one wants to offend and, of course, the younger (and older) generations have thrown caution to the wind.

The result...people are still dying of AIDS and, on an average day in NYC, there are twenty new infections.

I just want to add...I'm not sure if you're my long lost trans sister, but everything you've said in this thread is spot on to everything I've been saying and feeling. If anything, we must come from the same time and places in our lives. I feel like I repeat that every time you post, but its true. I've never read anything on here, or elsewhere, where I am so in line with what has been written as when I read what you write. I would give anything to sit down and have coffee with you sometime.


Peggy

It's so true. From the drugs to AIDS, so many gone from that time. So many.

[peggygee]

I think trannies are in a special situation when it comes to working as their clients almost always want to either (to put it bluntly), suck or get fucked. For the former 98% simply don't like the "taste of latex), the rest may settle for a condom for the later. Consider also how small the hardcore TS scene really is, and you have the makings for a disaster.

It is sort of like six degrees of separation. If one takes one popular escort, and add up the number of dates she sees in any given period. Add to this who those dates have been with before this girl and afterwards, then it is like weeds spreading out in a garden.

One other note, because of the new HIV drugs, young gays and trannies today do not have the memory of seeing full blown AIDS. Persons can be walking around looking like a Vouge or GQ model and still be HIV+. Sadly many girls and dates will throw good sense out the window if a date or girl is "hot" and "looks healthy".

I truly don't believe either the providers or the clients put on a 'jimmy' for
oral.

Thus opening themselves up to a whole host of STI's which they will
then pass around the community of 'trade', significant others, clients
and their significant others.

Now I'm not trying to cock block or keep anyone from getting their freak
on, but know what you're doing before you do it.

And the second point about 'healthy looking sex partners'

No, HIV isn't the death sentence that it was in the 80s, but it along with
herpes, hepatitis, chlamydia, HPV - genital warts, and a host of other STIs
can stay with you for a lifetime.

And they most definetely can impact upon people wanting to be married
or in an LTR with you.

So please be safe out there.

[peggygee]

Peggy

It's so true. From the drugs to AIDS, so many gone from that time. So many.

Yup, wiped out my whole crew, about a 100+ women