Is the fact that most GG women aren't that feminine...

[Katoey-Thaiger]

Often a TG-girl likes much more to be very feminine. She shows this in her dresses, make up, all other accessories and her feminity behaviour.

And GGs likes more and more to show some male manners. And if she do this always in her job for to getting more success and acceptation, or at home often with her partner then it`s not so easy for hold on this sweet kind of female.

[Shining Star]

IMHO, many TS girls express heavy overt feminity as either a way of covering up or for compensating masculinity. There is also the case to be made that a large percentage of TS girls emulate the more extreme forms of females such as fashion models, porn stars, lingerie models, rap video girls, and so forth because that is what they believe men want in a woman. Finally there is the fact many TS girls work in the life, and thus need to present a certian apperance for financial gain.

Being as all this may, a large percentage of men, even those who oggle pictures in Playboy or Maxim, rarely marry or establish long term realtionships with such women as noted above. Men will sleep and or date such women, but by and large look for other traits when choosing a life partner. Indeed if such behaviour and looks were sucessful in attracting a mate, women like Pamela Andersen Lee wouldn't have gone through several husbands to date.

Physical standards of beauty and femininity vary by culture, as well as what is considered appropriate dress and behaviour. Anyone who has been to any of the Latin countries,or at least watched novellas on televison, will quickly note women and young girls have great latitude in what they may wear and how they may behave and still be considered "la propia mujer" .

It is not unusual to see female doctors, judges, attorneys, office workers, college students and so forth going about at work and elsewhere in short skirts, great expanses of bosom, and tight fitting clothing with no great damage done to their reputation. Being feminine in such countries, even to the point of being hyper-sexy feminine in North American eyes, is considered normal and indeed healthy. My latest favourite example of this would be the character "Alicia" on the novella "La Fea Mas Bella" (Ugly Betty), played by Patricia Navidad. Alicia totally personsified the Latin version of "using what you got to get what you want". Huge mane of long (bleached) blonde hair, hips, bosom, rear, and thighs in good poportion and some parts always on display (usually vast expanses of pushed-up bosom). All this is reinforced by coquettish/little girl speech and behaviour when speaking to men that would strike an American woman as beyond stupid.

American women by and large, have restricted themselves to the Puritain, WASP ideal of beauty and feminitity a la Jackie Kennedy and the like, in short "Ladies". No English/American "lady" would think of parading her bosom around like they are first place at the county fair; nor would she condone undergarments that are often the stock and trade of public women. This image fits in with what most Amercian males wish in a wife and mother of their children. Blonde, beautiful, virginal, and pious (hopefully), such women represent the repository of all that is morally sound and upright with the culture. Their feminity is expressed demurely and purely. Which is why for quite some time, and still probably in some part today, public women, and or women who at least dress in a suggestive manner and are attacked, are considered getting what was coming to them. Nice girls don't dress or behave that way, and if her manner or dress brought out the beast in a man, well it is her fault.

In the workplace, American women havel long been told they must behave like "men" and drop all the frou-frou if they wish to get ahead. Certian behaviour and dress are not tolerated nor encouraged because of the possibility of sexual harrassment lawsuits. If say a woman dressed like a Spanish office worker mentioned above, and was subjected to constant catcalls and tauts by male workers, she might try to bring a lawsuit, but judge and jury weather right or wrong will factor into things how she dressed and behaved.

[hvybass]

my position is that biological women are not only politically oppressed but also genetically oppressed from millenia of conditioning,creatively,sexually and in many other ways..sad

[catpower]

So what is more feminine that an actual female?

I totally agree. Given, there are some that might act more mannish, but I am not really feeling the logic or premise behind this thread, that somehow ggs have lost their way, so guys are now into tgs.

whatev.

[62des]

I don't think anybody should be saying MOST GG's because if you go to the right places that's all you'll see is fine and sexy women. I see them all around where I stay. Its just a matter of where you are.

[Night Rider]

So what is more feminine that an actual female?

So ur saying Ellen DeGeneres is more feminine than the tgirls here?
You don't have to be female to be feminine, just as u don't have to be male to be masculine.

[Hazel Tucker]

I think everyone's got their own level of femininity, just like clothing style or persona. It's what makes us who we are.

Rebecca West
"I myself have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is; I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat."

[Harvey Byrdman]

I just find it humorous how everyone tries to rationalize their attraction to TS women.

"I'm attracted to her femininity."

You are attracted to the cock. There are approximately 3,310,483,706 women in the world and while all may not be that vision of beauty you see when you close your eyes at night, I'm willing to bet that a larger percentage are than there are attractive TS women. Stop worrying about excuses and just live your life the way it makes sense for you. If you love the cock, embrace it, don't hide from it.

[MacShreach]

Physical standards of beauty and femininity vary by culture, as well as what is considered appropriate dress and behaviour. Anyone who has been to any of the Latin countries,or at least watched novellas on televison, will quickly note women and young girls have great latitude in what they may wear and how they may behave and still be considered "la propia mujer" .

Great post, Shining Star.

[MacShreach]

You are attracted to the cock.

You might like to consider speaking for yourself, cockhound.

Tell me, how do men who like post-op TS women fit into your gay-nazi world order?

Just because all you see is a cock to gobble or sit on does not mean the rest of us fit your limitations.