A Guys Point of View, I had to ask

[TsVanessa69]

yungbuck_2001 (10/23/2007 4:32:12 PM): You haven't found any man to kick it with on a regular basis?
SexiMami (10/23/2007 4:34:43 PM): guys don't do that
SexiMami (10/23/2007 4:34:51 PM): you have females to kick it with
yungbuck_2001 (10/23/2007 4:34:56 PM): I forgot
SexiMami (10/23/2007 4:35:02 PM): and fuck on the dl when you get in the mood
SexiMami (10/23/2007 4:35:23 PM): you are the perfect example
SexiMami (10/23/2007 4:35:31 PM): not sayiing it to be mean
yungbuck_2001 (10/23/2007 4:37:50 PM): You are not mean... Its true. I'm out of that phase... I stop doing that. Doing that along time ago. I haven't been with a tgirl for awhile. Especially with me being with my girl, and she knows i like tgirls. I just don't belive in doing that to shemales anymore.... Its not right.
SexiMami (10/23/2007 4:38:18 PM): yea guys always say that
SexiMami (10/23/2007 4:38:28 PM): like shemales are not worthy to date
SexiMami (10/23/2007 4:38:35 PM): just fuck as a thrill
yungbuck_2001 (10/23/2007 4:38:41 PM): You are
yungbuck_2001 (10/23/2007 4:38:49 PM): you are a worthy date
SexiMami (10/23/2007 4:38:54 PM): thats why I charge
SexiMami (10/23/2007 4:39:04 PM): I got tired of being used
yungbuck_2001 (10/23/2007 4:39:21 PM): I know... You told me that in your last coversation
SexiMami (10/23/2007 4:40:03 PM): its true
SexiMami (10/23/2007 4:40:14 PM): why are you guys that way?
SexiMami (10/23/2007 4:41:09 PM): i never understood
yungbuck_2001 (10/23/2007 4:41:50 PM): We... Are...Pussies! Plain and simple.... Instead of coming out and saying I like tgirls we go into a shell and never come out. We are afraid of being rejected by our friends and famile and losing everybody we know. It took forever to tell my girlfriend everything.
SexiMami (10/23/2007 4:42:46 PM): so why not man up?
SexiMami (10/23/2007 4:42:55 PM): what if you fell in love with a ts?
SexiMami (10/23/2007 4:43:49 PM): You gonna not be happy just to worry about what other people say?
yungbuck_2001 (10/23/2007 4:45:28 PM): I did fall in love with one... She is a full woman now... but I did a couple of years back. She was different from evrey tgirl I ever met. She made me respect transexuals so much more. She was not an escort, she went to school, she had a job and she was a very caring person. She made me see tgirls in a whole new perspective.

[TsVanessa69]

I used to see him off and on, then one day he disapeared. No good by, nothing. Then about 6 months ago he told me he found love in a female.
yesterday he sent me an IM to tell me she moved to Chicago and they now live together.
So now he wants to chat with me, so I had to ask, as I never have asked a guy that I hung out with WHY? why are ts not good enough to date? why are we just a fling?
He shed a little light, any girls expierence simular?

[Night Rider]

TS are definatley good enough to date. The only thing holds people back is worrying about how their friends, family think. TS are relatively new to the scene (a few decades) and it will take a bit of time for it to be fully accepted.

Think about it, homosexuals have become more and more exepted and are getting a lot more rights. It's only a matter of time before tgirls get the rights they deserve.

I would definatley have a relationship with a ts, but there are a lot of narrowminded people that worry to much about how other people percieve them...their loss

[blckhaze]

Its all case by case. Just as soem guys wont date TS, some will. Personally, I've done both, and right now, i'm in a relationship with a gg for about 2 yrs now. She know about my attraction to TS's and while she doesn't fancy it, she understands that not everyone has the same tastes. My most serious relationship with a ts happened whil i was a soph in college, and that lasted 6 months (it ended mutually, no hard feeling at least on my side) I'd never say i wouldnt date a ts again, but while i'm dating one person, unless my partner knows about it and is ok with it, i don't sleep with anyone else. I can't speak for other, only myself. I'm kinda old school that way. I've seen first hand what a cheating husband can do to a family (my father ended up marrying 3 three woman at once, including my mother, and since their divorce he's been married 3 MORE times). One woman at a time definitely lessens the drama long term.

[ed_jaxon]

What's happening Vanessa.

One theme that repeats over and over is that many men want to avoid confrontation and commitment. We compartmentalize things so we don't have to deal with what we don't want to have to deal with at that time.

A man pays an escort for sex because when its over he can walk away and not have any strings. Complications frustrate us and its just easier to walk away. It is somewhat similar to the girl who gets tired of being burned by guys and then keeps them at arms length by escorting. I understand that.

I for one like my life this way for right now because I have too much to deal with on my own without dealing with what someone else's baggage.

One day I will hook back up with someone but tg or gg she will have to have fewer problems than me.

Never hook up with someone who has more problem than yourself.

Hope to see you around Chicago sometime.

[TsVanessa69]

What's happening Vanessa.

One theme that repeats over and over is that many men want to avoid confrontation and commitment. We compartmentalize things so we don't have to deal with what we don't want to have to deal with at that time.

A man pays an escort for sex because when its over he can walk away and not have any strings. Complications frustrate us and its just easier to walk away. It is somewhat similar to the girl who gets tired of being burned by guys and then keeps them at arms length by escorting. I understand that.

I for one like my life this way for right now because I have too much to deal with on my own without dealing with what someone else's baggage.


One day I will hook back up with someone but tg or gg she will have to have fewer problems than me.

Never hook up with someone who has more problem than yourself.

Hope to see you around Chicago sometime.

Good point

[TJ347]

Sorry in advance should I piss anyone off with my unsolicited response, but speaking as a man who has dealt with escorts, I felt I could add something of value here, so here goes...



yungbuck_2001 (10/23/2007 4:38:49 PM): you are a worthy date
SexiMami (10/23/2007 4:38:54 PM): thats why I charge
SexiMami (10/23/2007 4:39:04 PM): I got tired of being used
SexiMami (10/23/2007 4:40:14 PM): why are you guys that way?

With all due respect, I will never understand someone who chooses of their own free will to be escort complaining about being used. I for one believe that if anyone gets "used" it's the client, but that's another issue entirely...

Why will the majority of guys not date an escort, transsexual or otherwise? Because they don't like the idea of other guys getting some ass from what's supposed to be their woman. Sure, there's the odd guy who's the exception, but ever notice these types seem to be found only as companions of your more well known transsexual escorts, and appear to overwhelmingly be kept men? I'm guessing being taken care of financially helps these dudes overlook any issues they have with their woman getting banged on the regular by other guys.

Really though, does anybody know of a serious relationship between a man and a ts woman where both are on the same financial footing? I'm sure there are some, but I've always seen where somebody's being taken care of in that scenario, be it the man or the woman. I'd love to know of a single example where that wasn't the case. Take your time...



yungbuck_2001 (10/23/2007 4:45:28 PM): I did fall in love with one... She is a full woman now... but I did a couple of years back. She was different from evrey tgirl I ever met. She made me respect transexuals so much more. She was not an escort, she went to school, she had a job and she was a very caring person. She made me see tgirls in a whole new perspective.

See, now here the guy explains an experience with that rare transsexual woman who isn't an escort or working in porn. Notice this girl made a big impression on him, whereas other transsexuals, despite maybe wanting to have a commited relationship with him instead of one as a service provider, did provide sexual services for pay, making it impossible for him to imagine dating them seriously... not that too many guys who're into seeing escorts are really interested in something serious anyway.

In any event, this guy found a transsexual woman who made him change his whole way of thinking, and he fell in love. It didn't work out in the end apparently, but the point still can't be missed... If you really want to find love, selling the ass probably doesn't help, nor does refusing to recognize that if it seems that every man or every woman is letting you down, then the problem is you. It would also help to be a caring person such as this woman was, I'm sure, but perhaps I've already asked for too much...

[rvince]

Most TS are "good to date",...

...but men don't want their family/friends to find out about it, because for all the "non TS-friendly" people, shemales are guys in drags and their BFs are gays.

[TJ347]

Most TS are "good to date",...

...but men don't want their family/friends to find out about it, because for all the "non TS-friendly" people, shemales are guys in drags and their BFs are gays.

Several people have said this, and it certainly has its merits, but there are other things to be considered that for some reason the men here are avoiding, and while I have suspicions as to why, I won't go into that, but instead just say "Grow a pair, fellas."

From my personal experiences, not that they are extensive or allow me to conclude that they represent the behavior of all transsexuals...

1.) Many ts women are exceptionally self-centered
2.) Many ts women have unpredictable mood swings
3.) Many ts women have substance abuse issues

Unscientific conclusion: Many ts women are not, in fact, relationship material, having a number of issues that are not compatible with having a stable, long-term relationship.

This is, again, my conclusion based on my experiences. Your experiences may differ. The point is, it's not always about other people's perceptions. Sometimes, it's about not wanting the drama that so many transsexuals seem to have swirling about them 24/7.

Thank you.

[peggygee]

Pre and post op, I have been in long term, mid and short term
relationships.

The men that I were involved didn't treat me as a dirty little secret, we
didn't creep on the down low. In most instances I met their friends and
families whenever appropriate.

How did I accomplish this?

Simple, I wouldn't allow them to treat me in any other manner. You treat
me with the respect and dignity that I am going to treat you with, or you
are not going to be with me...period.

So don't come looking for a booty call, don't step to me with that friends
with benefits bullshit, etc.

The panties don't drop for any Tom or Harry's dick. If you are looking for
a quickie or a jump off, I am not the one.



So come correct or don't come at all.