Do T-Girls who don't do porn give us all a bad name ?????

[tsmandy]

Yawn, zzzzz......

Just think how much emotional damage we could all save ourselves by leaving hooking behind and getting a job for Halliburton and moving to Tikrit or Baghdad.

I once heard someone say something wise about stoners in glass houses, but I forget what that was. Point being, I hate this discussion everytime it happens, which I thought was Kristy's point in the first place.

There is a global economy with billions of losers and a few million winners, and gasp some of those people happen to be sex workers, and gasp, some win some lose.

I'd rather watch you suck my titties then work at Exxon Mobil, just a matter of being able to live with myself at the end of the day.

xoxo
Mandy
http://mandytgirl.com

[tonkatoy]

This is an interesting thread. I do not know much about the escorting business, but I do know girls that escort, and I have experience running my own excavating company. I think where some of the girls fail is to not have any sort of business plan or even a simple budget. Having some defined goals is important in any venture, but I think that a lot of the girls try to avoid thinking too far into the future. It seems that earning potential could drop off fairly quickly in an escort's career, and if she has no other skills or options to fall back on, then she is pretty well finished. I think that our society in general today stresses the wrong things, people place far too much importance on fairly worthless, highly depreciating consumer goods, ie clothing, electronics, cars, and not enough emphasis on saving. It may not be glamorous, but you might be able to pay for retirement also. IT is amazing what some people of fairly meager means have been able to do through fiscal discipline and sacrifice. I feel sorry for people who have to buy designer (insert item here), as a means of defining who they are. Especially people who really can't afford it.

AS far as the original point of the thread, I think that the problem that ts porn causes is that it is geared towards guys who like pre-ops, while many, certainly not all, but many, ts women have srs as a goal. So it creates a body of men looking for ts women who do not want srs, or it portrays ts women as being comfortable being pre-op while many are only doing it to make enough to go post op.

[slinky]

while many, certainly not all, but many, ts women have srs as a goal. So it creates a body of men looking for ts women who do not want srs, or it portrays ts women as being comfortable being pre-op while many are only doing it to make enough to go post op.

I think you might be surprised at the number of "non-ops" out there.

[justatransgirl]

Yawn, zzzzz......

Just think how much emotional damage we could all save ourselves by leaving hooking behind and getting a job for Halliburton and moving to Tikrit or Baghdad.

I once heard someone say something wise about stoners in glass houses, but I forget what that was. Point being, I hate this discussion everytime it happens, which I thought was Kristy's point in the first place.

There is a global economy with billions of losers and a few million winners, and gasp some of those people happen to be sex workers, and gasp, some win some lose.

I'd rather watch you suck my titties then work at Exxon Mobil, just a matter of being able to live with myself at the end of the day.

xoxo
Mandy
http://mandytgirl.com

Thank you Mandy. Says it all.

Does Haliburton hire transsexual hookers?

Giggle,
TS Jamie

PS - Mandy you are sooo cute!

[tsmandy]

Thank you Mandy. Says it all.

Does Haliburton hire transsexual hookers?

Giggle,
TS Jamie

PS - Mandy you are sooo cute!

Halliburton absolutely hires Transsexual hookers. Apply now and leave a life of shame, poverty, and moral decrepitude.

Mandy
http://mandytgirl.com

PS. thanks Jamie, I like your style.

[SarahG]

while many, certainly not all, but many, ts women have srs as a goal. So it creates a body of men looking for ts women who do not want srs, or it portrays ts women as being comfortable being pre-op while many are only doing it to make enough to go post op.

I think you might be surprised at the number of "non-ops" out there.

I think people would be surprised how many people would go for SRS if it were free, with good doctors in more regions, without any system of hoops to jump through to obtain it.

I am curious how many nonops have adopted a nonop status as a defense mechanicsm to situations in which srs is insanely out of reach due to fiscal or other realities.

But you are correct, statistics and assumptions on stuff like this have very little in terms of accuracy imo. Its a shame it could not be more fully understood.

[Caleigh]

How is this for an equivalency

Ts Escorts are to the rest of the Ts population

as

Steroid pumping atheletes are to the rest of the other players

in that while there may be arguments ethical, moral, esthetic
on both sides, the one side of the equation is clearly
participating in activity that is illegal. This is not to say that
NONE of the people on the right hand side of the equations
are doing anything illegal, but that because of the state of
the laws as they stand ALL the people on the left hand side
ARE (unless prostitution has actually been taken out of the
penal code while I wasn't looking and while the cops were
looking the other way).

I make no judgements myself, I think that both performance
enhancing drugs and prostitution should be legal, but they
aren't. And because they aren't much of the population at
large see those that participate in such activities as morally
or ethically wanting. Who cares what those mid-west house
wives think? They do and so do politicians and actually so
do the television programmers who have been portraying TS
women as victims, criminals, psychotics, pathological liars
and generally as damaged goods for decades. Before the
spectre of Candis Cayne and her role in "Dirty Sexy Money"
is mentioned, let's see what her role is like over the entire
course of it's run.

[Ecstatic]

Interesting, Caleigh. Of course, prostitution is legal in unincorporated Nevada, but I doubt there are many TS escorts (or any TS) there.

[tsmandy]

How is this for an equivalency

Ts Escorts are to the rest of the Ts population

as

Steroid pumping atheletes are to the rest of the other players

in that while there may be arguments ethical, moral, esthetic
on both sides, the one side of the equation is clearly
participating in activity that is illegal. This is not to say that
NONE of the people on the right hand side of the equations
are doing anything illegal, but that because of the state of
the laws as they stand ALL the people on the left hand side
ARE (unless prostitution has actually been taken out of the
penal code while I wasn't looking and while the cops were
looking the other way).

I make no judgements myself, I think that both performance
enhancing drugs and prostitution should be legal, but they
aren't. And because they aren't much of the population at
large see those that participate in such activities as morally
or ethically wanting. Who cares what those mid-west house
wives think? They do and so do politicians and actually so
do the television programmers who have been portraying TS
women as victims, criminals, psychotics, pathological liars
and generally as damaged goods for decades. Before the
spectre of Candis Cayne and her role in "Dirty Sexy Money"
is mentioned, let's see what her role is like over the entire
course of it's run.

First of all, let us remember that there is an entire world out there beyond the borders of one of the most fanatical countries on the planet, i.e. the USA, and that in many of those countries the laws around sex work vary.

As for laws and morality. Well, in the US it was only a scant 5 years ago that laws banning gay sex were struck down by the Supreme court, and it wasn't that long ago in many southern towns that TS women were outlawed by transphobic penal codes. Not too mention the bevy of unjust and immoral laws that have existed since our wise genocidal slave-owning founding fathers created the constitution. Laws are instruments by which the powerful maintain the world they want to live in, which certainly does not include Transsexuals be they sex workers or nuns.

A true fight for the rights and economic well being of transsexuals will be one that incorporates sex workers rather than demonizes them.

I would rather remain a sexual deviant, a gender outlaw, and a sex worker, than try to mollify the Christian Facists. End of story.

[Kirsty Scott TG]

Isn't it wonderful when a post calling for support and a settlement of difference of opinion results in a seemingly trivial argument. SIGH!!!

Brenda and Shining Star you should be ashamed of yourselves and thank you Mandy for bringing the thread back round to where it should be .....

(ps ...... Kirsty not Kristy, just for future reference)

There is nothing wrong with a good debate interjected with some "suck on my titties" humour and even some light-hearted, to the face bitching. There is also nothing wrong with a thread diverging into different tangents.

However, all to often the written word can be taken in the wrong context, people can be offended where perhaps no real offence was ever intended .... and then a tiny indiscretion can escalate into a complete debacle ......

.... and well if that happens amongst a bunch of bloody trannies ..... well that might just be world war three

and the only plus side is that we all get to kiss and make up .......


Just to bring things round again ..... this was not supposed to turn into an endorsement of the oldest profession but rather it is about whether those who do explore their "sex" either professionally (and that does not necessarily mean escort), or even for pleasure actually bring down how the trasngedered population are perceived ..... and whether those who do not openley convey their sexuality should turn their backs on ..... well us (largely).

Or whether, as imho, it should not really matter as this community is already so fragmented and very much a minority that we should be a little more tolerant and understanding of each other ...... even if one did work in Haliburton .....

Kali ...... I think that is a great analogy to use except according to some earlier posts one uses drugs to enhance their bodies and the other use their bodies to enhance their drug use ........ Doh!

AS far as the original point of the thread, I think that the problem that ts porn causes is that it is geared towards guys who like pre-ops, while many, certainly not all, but many, ts women have srs as a goal. So it creates a body of men looking for ts women who do not want srs, or it portrays ts women as being comfortable being pre-op while many are only doing it to make enough to go post op.

Tonkatoy 2007

I think this, although not part of my thinking when I posted, is a very interesting point and could be a thread all of it's own ....... and could be extended to the whole attraction to a T-Girl versus a Girls own goals .....

Kirsty
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