Do T-Girls who don't do porn give us all a bad name ?????

[BrendaQG]

As for earning potential of escorts, it is very misleading to only "count the coins" as it were. All escorts generally earn their most money within the first year or so of being "fresh". After that unless they are highly "rated" things taper off and it becomes "work" in the true sense. Certianly after several years, especially with younger and younger girls coming on the scene daily, earning potential goes down. So girls find themselves working harder to make equal or in some cases less money.

Suppose things are as you say and young TS's turn just one trick a day, on eros. $250/day * 7 days a week * 50 weeks a year =$87,500/year and probably no debt.

As compared to the most senior physics professor I know ~$78,000/year... with a car note, and mortgage to pay. Forget about it. (I choose that example because it is very personal to me. Sadly in the real world the true value of what one does for society does not equal what one is paid for it. As a matter of fact the more esstential the job the lower the pay!)

A barely legal young TS ought to make those big bucks while they can and buy real estate with it. By 21-25 they would not need to worry about money ever again.

Oh and Shining star. Don't tell anyone here about how to be a woman. Odds are we have been doing it longer and better than you IRL.

[DJ_Asia]

As for earning potential of escorts, it is very misleading to only "count the coins" as it were. All escorts generally earn their most money within the first year or so of being "fresh". After that unless they are highly "rated" things taper off and it becomes "work" in the true sense. Certianly after several years, especially with younger and younger girls coming on the scene daily, earning potential goes down. So girls find themselves working harder to make equal or in some cases less money.

Suppose things are as you say and young TS's turn just one trick a day, on eros. $250/day * 7 days a week * 50 weeks a year =$87,500/year and probably no debt.

As compared to the most senior physics professor I know ~$78,000/year... with a car note, and mortgage to pay. Forget about it.

A barely legal young TS ought to make those big bucks while they can and buy real estate with it. By 21-25 they would not need to worry about money ever again.

Oh and Shining star. Don't tell anyone here about how to be a woman. Odds are we have been doing it longer and better than you IRL.

Yeah in a perfect world those numbers work real well,however I can count on one hand(with a few fingers to spare) how many hookers,porn stars,strippers I know...and i know more than any 10 men should know...have actually worked hard,saved their money,made wise investments and got out....the sad reality is the girls get caught up in the fast $ easy drugs and designer clothes and before you know it that 21 year old charging 250.00 per trick is now 45,toothless and sucking cock for a rock...thats the real reality.

[Tail Gunner]

Yeah DJ, would have to say those numbers are a bit off the scale in the real world with maybe a few exceptions.

[Shining Star]

Suppose things are as you say and young TS's turn just one trick a day, on eros. $250/day * 7 days a week * 50 weeks a year =$87,500/year and probably no debt. As compared to the most senior physics professor I know ~$78,000/year... with a car note, and mortgage to pay. Forget about it. A barely legal young TS ought to make those big bucks while they can and buy real estate with it. By 21-25 they would not need to worry about money ever again. Oh and Shining star. Don't tell anyone here about how to be a woman. Odds are we have been doing it longer and better than you IRL..

One: I shouldn't put too much money on your bet about "being a "woman" longer than I". Am in my thirties and have been living as a "woman" since one was about twenty, even went to college as a "woman". So keep your snide remarks to yourself unless you are forty or older and can go toe to toe.

Your logic regarding earning potential and earnings is flawed on several fronts. First of all there is a word for what you are suggesting, and it is called money laundering. You cannot show up with a bag full of money and simply buy real estate, or any other major asset. First of all all cash transactions over $10,000 are reported to the government. In this post 9/11/01 world, even transactions below that amount which have a whiff about them are often reported. Now if your question was can it be done, of course otherwise there wouldn't be a category under the penal code for money laundering; however I wouldn't want to plan my future living in a home that one forever looking over one's shoulder for the IRS or some other government/LE agency might sieze. That senior physics professor may not earn as much as a hooker, (and who does), but at least if he is paying his taxes he knows what is his is his, and can sell, or pass on his estate without worrying about it being seized by the government.


Yes, strippers, porn stars, escorts and others engaged in criminal or illicit activity purchase real estate or big ticket items, but absent some very expensive and complicated legal representation, most simply just pay taxes on their earnings (or portion of), thus they are free to invest or use said earnings as they see fit. Even if you could/did purchase real estate, just how are you going to pay the taxes and upkeep? Don't tell me you intend to use your new "home" to turn dates, because that makes the property also subject to LE seizure as it is being used in the process of committing a crime. Even if you did your hooking elsewhere, unless you are paying income taxes, sooner or later the government is going ask you to come downtown and explain why and how a person with no visable means of support happens to own real estate. When non-payment of taxes and or criminal activity is suspected, the government has broad powers to take or at least place a lien against said property. To clear the matter up you are going to have to prove where your money comes from, something you cannot do without admitting committing serial criminal activity can you?

Every major hooker/madam bust to date be it local or the FBI, always has the charge of tax evasion and usually money laundering added to the mix. The charges are pretty easy for the government to win, unless the person charged can show a vaild paper trail of where their money came from and all proper taxes were paid when do. Al Capone beat, murdered, extorted, prositutied and other "fun" things his way through Chicago; what did he go to jail for? Tax evasion.

Your attitude suggest you are just like many other young trannie who think they have invented the game. Well little miss am here to tell you I've known and sadly buried more transexuals than you, so don't get on your high horse.

This new and rather sad trend of young ts girls, in fact ts girls of any age finding "escorting" as viable career, certianly a long term career is one of the reasons the transgender community is pretty much where it was 10 or even 20 years ago. Gay men and lesbians have moved on and up; they're getting legally married, rasing familes, holding down powerful jobs/professions and in general making their way into the mainstream of society. The best it seems most trannies can do is throw up their hands and sigh "oh,I'm a minority and discriminated against. I can't find work and or be accepted by society so I'll become a prosititue". There are gay, straight and transgendered persons putting themselves on the line to pass laws in our favor, and the best it seems our young generation can do is lie on their backs for bucks. Is it any wonder even some gay groups simply give up on transgenders/see them as holding back the cause.

You seem to have all the answers little Miss, look around to find "older" transexuals who spent their lives "escorting". Where are they now, all these girls who made thousands per week in their prime? I shall tell you, they are mostly in their graves, or living off welfare/Medicaid because they are "disabled" due to suffering from Aids. Where else are they? In jail, or traveling the world working VERY hard to make in a month what they used to make in a day, if that. Just like "old" porn stars, old broken down hookers do not usually live long or very happy retirements. Now if you plan on checking out of this world before you reach thirty,then have at it; but by no means should you nor anyother person mess up some young person's life by preaching prositution is a viable long term career.

SS

[BeardedOne]

Ladies! Please!

Just a brief observation here, in an attemt to avert some inevitable pie-throwing.

I see Brenda's post as just a basic view, not cut-stone-advice. It's true, at the gross-receipts level, that a sex worker rakes in a lot more than a teacher, cop, or health worker. Shame that (Not for the sex worker, but for the others).

I've never quite understood why, but my version of 'pillow talk' invariably involves business and finances.

One gurl I talked with said that a working day for her could be as many as seven or eight clients @ $300. Assuming a 24/7/365 work week, that's over three quarters of a million samollions in a good year (Though, for her own sanity, I would assume she takes a significant amount of downtime). Another said she averaged $5k a week. Still nothing small. Either way, it puts a hurtin' on Minimum Wage.

However, the fantasy formula doesn't account for the cost of doing business: Travel and hotel expenses, advertising costs, wardrobe, meals (One gurl told me that she realized she was dropping $50 a pop on room-service meals that would have been a fraction of the cost had she just strolled downstairs to eat in the restaurant), legal costs, fines, and life-maintenance (Rent, utilities, etc.) should she find herslef in a non-earning capacity, cooling her heals at the Tombs for a while.

To Shing Star's post:

Not a bit of bad advice/comment there (I seem to recall that you have some LE raltion in your past as well). Ever since the time of Scarface Al Capone, the feds have kept Tax Evasion in their vest pocket as a backup to any other charges they may file against a group or individual. If RICO fails, the Tax Code can usually slap a lid on them for a while as a substitute or a brake (LE loves to slow someone down that they are investigating, sitting still in a cell lets a lot of shit catch up and rain down upon you at your next hearing).

One of the gurls I spoke to knows the game very well. She is incorporated, accepts credit cards, files taxes, etc. No slouch, she will be well set in her future. Does she claim all of her income? Don't ask, don't tell.

A note on taxes: I see the IRS as not unlike a protection racket. Nice little life you got here, shame if something were to happen to it. Do I pay my taxes? Yes, I do. In return, among other things, they pave my streets, throw water on my burning house, and keep the crackheads across the street from invading my space. Overall, these services are realtively effective, though certainly far from perfect.

I've seen gurls post here about difficulties they've had with seeking employment, getting apartments/homes, credit grief, etc. Advice: Get on the radar in whatever way you can and to whatever extent you feel comfortable with. SS wasn't flinging shit, if you aren't in the system, or the numbers don't jive, Treasury is not an enemy you want to have.

Remember: The wages of sin are death, but after taxes and other deductions it's just a tired feeling.

[Shining Star]

Ladies! Please!

Just a brief observation here, in an attemt to avert some inevitable pie-throwing.

BB:

Thank you, and yes, am not trying to throw shade or cast judgments about; just trying to dispel some very bad or at very least naive ideas about how the world really works.

Have known many people, gay males, trannies, and straight girls who "worked" at one time or another. Most all did it as a means to an end and moved on. Also know many girls who have been working since one met them 10 or so years ago, and they are working still today with little to show for all their efforts.

Sure you can take money from escorting, pay taxes on that income then invest and save. But that requires expert professional advice to set up and carry out. Lots of young gay men who work the "circut" of male hookers to the rich and powerful get such "assistance" and end up very well in the end. By and large the IRS is only interested in seeing tax laws are followed. That means paying proper taxes on income as per the law. It does not care if you call yourself a "catering company" or "housemaid", long as you report the wages. However if your income/spending habits do not match up with that their databases say, you could be audited. Again, the worst will be you owe more money, but the IRS is not there to find out weather you are indeed a housemaid or whatever.

However, when anyone tries to move large sums of money, that is when the Feds and local government put you on their radar. For instance post 9/11/01 many girls who "travel" out of the country are finding it harder if not impossible to bring those earnings back into the states without declaring. It never was easy, but some girls just stashed the money on their person/in their bags or bought a bunch of travelers checks; but now that one is almost stripped searched at the airport, you better have that money declared,otherwise kiss it good-bye. Or, on the flip side, if you are running a major operation and or working "big league" owning assests and having cash all with no visable means of support or out of line with what one is claming to be (ie saying you are a massage therapist), and are busted, that is when the government can bring out all the tricks in it's bag of goodies. Being busted as a prossie means at worst less than a year in jail. Being busted on money laundering, RICO, failure to file/pay taxes etc, means several years as a guest of the Federal government.

[VictoriaJaye]

I think those girls who don't work in the industry and/or escort buisness have to work extra hard to make a living then those who work in the industry.Those in the porn and who escort don't have put as much effort into it because the buisness doesn't require that much interaction with everyday people who might not even know anything about trans.I just think it's much easier for a girl to get a photo shoot or a desperate chaser then a high entry job.I'm not saying they are any smarter but they have to work extra hard and should be giving their proper respect.

I dunno about that Legend..I KNOW I work "extra hard" whether its finding sex work or straight work...for sex work I have to exercise nearly every day, advertising, marketing and so on. for a straight job i had to go to college build skill sets, network create demo reels andso on.

my point is each field has a different set of circumstances and what is easy to some could be extra ordinarily difficult for others.

[BrendaQG]

OK so you all say sex work is universally bad. Since you have not specified the alternative... then I assume you have in mind college. If you think college is a panacea then think again. Please Consider the following.

College was the path I took. I even sacrificed 4.5 years of living as a girl to it. Here is how I financed it.

Due to my parents being middle class I could not get any needs based grants. Due to my grades in high school being low, due in no small part to hostile teachers and my gender non conformity, scholarships were out of the question. The last option was Student loans. I have now over $100,000.00 in student loan debt. Which is low... even hetero-gender normative people have much much more than that (like 275,000 or 300,000 !) . I would have to turn 400 tricks at $250 per pop to pay off the principal balance. That does not include the interest.

Granted that debt also includes graduate school tution. Just for the B.S. degree the number is $30,000.00 That works out to 120. Or three per week for 40 weeks to pay off the principal.

@ Shining Star

That is reality missy. You sound from your attitude like you think I was born yesterday. That I have nothing of value to teach. Or that I have lived a sheltered life like a bubble boy, hermetically sealed and reading books. :-/

Honey you and I probably know as many transsexuals, and age wise if you are in your "early thirties" you are only 5 years older than I.

While the girls I know who took the educated path are not dead what they are is really broke and some have turned to sex work. I don't blame them. You should not blame them. Like me we all looked for work, apply for jobs, and get turned down if we even get interviewed. What little faith I had in the straight world is basically gone. Here is why.

Look at those numbers. Should I work and slave to pay off that debt while others my age don't even have such a burden. While those who are wise save money, I should beg for work? While others build nest eggs...I should pay interest for 10, 20, or 30 years?

Words cannot express how much I resent your condescension towards me I don't know what to say to you. I have done that other thing that you naively think is so great and know it is not.

Nothing is ideal. Not even college. Which, I have noticed, that people who use words like "shade" can have an almost mythic status. Like "If only I went to college everything would be perfect". As if educated people can't be biggots. Then they see my 27 year old college graduated ass doing what they are doing and... I guess some bitches like you cannot understand that.

@ Bearded one.

This is my stone cut advice to young transsexuals just starting out:

After graduating from highschool think about what you want to spend your life doing. What do you love to do? If the answer is you would love to be a CPA, or a PhD, or something then go to school. If the answer is to be a model, or actress, or artist, school really does not help with those. So don't waste your time or money. Make money how you can and save it. Open a bank account and keep it open. Pay taxes. etc. etc. etc. Never let anyone who did go to college put you down because I did and I still had to return to the stroll.

I really mean that and I wish that someone had the nerve to tell me that many years ago. I still would have went to university. I just would have had my eyes wide open instead of a rude awakening.

[Ecstatic]

Nothing is ideal. Not even college. Which, I have noticed, that people who use words like "shade" can have an almost mythic status. Like "If only I went to college everything would be perfect".

This is very true. I earned my BA summa cum laude in English 1981 (fortunately, college--especially a state university--was not so expensive back then), with a 3.88 GPA and a summer quarter at Trinity College, Oxford. I then went on to earn my MA in English in 1985 with a 4.0 GPA and a fellowship. Following that, I spent five years as an administrative assistant (because I could type) before landing a position as adjunct faculty at a junior college in 1991 where I was paid all of $1200 per course and had to hold another part-time office work job to, as my wife puts it, "support my teaching habit." I love teaching--it's the most rewarding, satisfying, and challenging work I've ever done--but I could not survive on the wages.

In 1995 I picked up a book, "Teach Yourself HTML in 14 Days" and in 1997 began working as a web designer. Being self-taught in HTML, CSS, PHP, SQL, and other languages/technologies, I am making many times today what I made thanks to my degrees, thus proving the old joke:

An engineering student asks, "how is that done?" An MBA asks, "how do we finance that and develop a business plan for it?" A philosophy major asks, "why is that done?" But an English major asks, "Do you want fries with that?"

[Mr_Man]

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