Are TS Women?

[eviltwin585]

so heres my story

my friends and i saw a woman at a restaurant we frequent for lunch, and we figured she was a transwoman. she was really quite beautiful- great hair, great eyes, well dressed (if a bit overly sexy). the queues to see she was a ts woman was she had a deeper than expected voice- and in her tight jeans, her package was visible enough where you could 'tell'. well, anyways after we left, in the privacy of our car, my friends just had to have a comment- the old 'thats a man, baby!' (ala austin powers). i was silent on the joke, tipping them off that i'm supportive towards ts (as well as gays, as they already knew). they, being my friends, followed me back on to the high ground and dropped the subject.

a few weeks later, we saw the same woman at the same restaurant, this time she was alone. this place is quite small and quickly crowded, and she ended up sitting next to one of those friends of mine and across from me. i'm glad to say there was no 'wink wink, nudge nudge' from my friends, and I soon flagged her in conversation with us. nothing was ever said about her being a ts- it was just silently realized. we just shot the shit and ate german food. turns out she was actually german.

it also turns out my friends who had defaulted to 'macho' were able to grow up and become accepting.

[tsntx]

yesterday, while at work as a makeup artist for MAC inside Nordstroms dept. store, an indian woman said to the girl doing her makeup:
"thats a man"
the girl said "yes so?"
"but hes got breast"
the girl said "and?"

then i stepped in and said "mam im doing your daughters makeup for her wedding, if you do not correct yourself IMMEIDIATELY i will refuse service and no one in this STORE will work on yall"
i turned to the girl and said "i am a woman, i am a trans-woman. i am NOT a man and for you to acknowledge otherwise is an insult.

AND HOW IS THE WOMAN'S RACE RELEVANT TO THE ANECDOTE? WHY ARE WE INFORMED THAT SHE WAS INDIAN AND YET THE RACE OF THE "GIRL" IS LEFT OUT AS IF IT IS NOT IMPORTANT. WAS THE GIRL WHITE?, BLACK, INDIAN? OR JUST A GIRL?

you got me i hate indian women and their curry smelling, open faced roast beef sandwich vaginas

bc that was the most info i could give on the woman, i didnt want to name the asc. so i didnt reveal any info about her... im not rascist. dont try to go there. its not up for discussion.

[LG]

Back to the initial question here, I can't believe how many people answered: "Men expressing their feminine side". I thought expressing one's feminine side amounted to not much more than being a little sensitive, crying during soppy movies, hoarding chocolate in the house and getting all gooey at the sight of a bouncy little baby. But now you're telling me that people go through all the anxiety and pain of taking hormones, having excruciatingly painful hair-removal procedures and paying several thousand dollars for permanent surgeries, often including lopping off their floppy bits just to be in touch with their feminine side. That just don't make no sense...

Transsexuals are women, plain and simple. Some are physiologically 100% female on the outside, others are getting close to that. They may have been classified as male at birth but most of them never felt like men, never wanted to be men.

The whole discussion of a "third sex" makes things interesting but complicated. Some transsexuals are happy with this classification, it seems, but others not so much. Me, I don't know, But I would never class any of the girls here as guys.

Is it because classifying them as men would mean I am gay? Not really. I think gay men fancy other men. Take one look at the pretty girls here and try and tell me that any of them are men. I dare you. And if you do, you will incur their wrath as well as mine.

peace

LG

[gunn]

GOOD QUESTION AND IT DEPENDS IF THE PERSON IS A TOP OR A BOTTOM,LOL. SERIOUSLY I THINK IT'S A NON-ISSUE JUST CALL THEM WHATEVER THEY WANT YOU TO CALL THEM.THEN SIT BACK RELAX AND ENJOY THE BEST OF BOUTH WORLDS!!!

[BrendaQG]

That would be a vote for a third gender then ?

[lucx]

absolutely women as i see it... maybe i'm a bit naive but that's what i think... and TSNTX IS a complete SMART WOMAN

[CORVETTEDUDE]

Back to the initial question here, I can't believe how many people answered: "Men expressing their feminine side". I thought expressing one's feminine side amounted to not much more than being a little sensitive, crying during soppy movies, hoarding chocolate in the house and getting all gooey at the sight of a bouncy little baby. But now you're telling me that people go through all the anxiety and pain of taking hormones, having excruciatingly painful hair-removal procedures and paying several thousand dollars for permanent surgeries, often including lopping off their floppy bits just to be in touch with their feminine side. That just don't make no sense...

Transsexuals are women, plain and simple. Some are physiologically 100% female on the outside, others are getting close to that. They may have been classified as male at birth but most of them never felt like men, never wanted to be men.

The whole discussion of a "third sex" makes things interesting but complicated. Some transsexuals are happy with this classification, it seems, but others not so much. Me, I don't know, But I would never class any of the girls here as guys.

Is it because classifying them as men would mean I am gay? Not really. I think gay men fancy other men. Take one look at the pretty girls here and try and tell me that any of them are men. I dare you. And if you do, you will incur their wrath as well as mine.

peace

LG

LG...you have eloquently stated your opinion as I would. Therefore, I will merely co-sign your statement and say, "That's Two!"

[tsntx]

absolutely women as i see it... maybe i'm a bit naive but that's what i think... and TSNTX IS a complete SMART WOMAN

well i try <--- blushing

ty

as far as guns comment

stfu.... thats a stupid basis for this topic

[Solitary Brother]

i almost wrote "w/e peggy usually says is how i feel" but b/c i couldnt remember exactly what it was i didnt want to quote her wrong...

so now that she has posted... what peggy said.... for the most part.

i feel i am a woman
i know i am a transwoman
i know i am not a genetic woman
i know that i am not a generic woman

what society sees us as is what really matters tho when it comes to work, relationships, daily routines.

if someone calls me anything other then a woman or a ts woman i correct them... esp. if its a male reference...

yesterday, while at work as a makeup artist for MAC inside Nordstroms dept. store, an indian woman said to the girl doing her makeup:
"thats a man"
the girl said "yes so?"
"but hes got breast"
the girl said "and?"

then i stepped in and said "mam im doing your daughters makeup for her wedding, if you do not correct yourself IMMEIDIATELY i will refuse service and no one in this STORE will work on yall"
i turned to the girl and said "i am a woman, i am a trans-woman. i am NOT a man and for you to acknowledge otherwise is an insult. youre free to go home for the day and please feel free to do some research online or message me on myspace and ask me any questions you may have, but again, do NOT inform customers or other ppl on subjects to which you do not know the answers"

i really enjoy being the boss... cant ya tell?

OH MY!
You actually got spooked at the MAC counter eh?
Oh wait I forgot your in Texas......Im sure your use to the HIGH level of ignorance displayed by the natives there.
So sorry love.
In all seriousness though.......you are looking great as of late.
I saw your boy picture when you posted it a while back and you have come a LONG ways.

[Ecstatic]

Imho, transwomen are women, unless they clearly express individually that they prefer to referred to as "the third sex." To me this is true and fundamental regardless of their genital condition or preference (whether to remain non-op or progress to post-op).