More Libby fallout

[ps911fan]

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/08/...machiavellian/

Looking forward to the Conyers hearing of this travesty.............

[guyone]

Looking forward to seeing the bolsheviks out of office and sanity return to our government.

[chefmike]

Looking forward to seeing the bolsheviks out of office and sanity return to our government.

Then I guess that you consider the repugs to be the bolsheviks gumpone, because they are the only ones being run out of office. It started last November, in case you hadn't noticed...you are indeed another GOP dupe in deep denial, gump.

[White_Male_Canada]

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/08/kristol-machiavellian/

Looking forward to the Conyers hearing of this travesty.............

You`re a certified idiot.

Article II Section II U.S. Constitution.

Conyers has nothing but bullshit.

[trish]

You`re a certified idiot.

I know you are

(one childish remark deserves another, let's stop here)

[White_Male_Canada]

You`re a certified idiot.

I know you are

(one childish remark deserves another, let's stop here)

If you guys don`t even know what your own blueprint says, then yes, you`re an idiot.

[ps911fan]

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/08/kristol-machiavellian/

Looking forward to the Conyers hearing of this travesty.............

You`re a certified idiot.

Article II Section II U.S. Constitution.

Conyers has nothing but bullshit.

Here comes some of of those hated fact whitebitch_canada can't handle.....

he answer is that the reason why Armitage, Libby, and the other leakers weren't prosecuted under the IIPA is that the IIPA requires proof, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the leaker had actual knowledge that the CIA agent's employment was classified at the time of the leak.

To prove that, you need to be able to prove how the person found out about the fact of CIA employment. In the case of Armitage, it was clear that he didn't know; he found out from a document that said nothing about Plame's covert status. In the case of Libby, it was less clear what he knew, but Fitzgerald nonetheless concluded that he couldn't prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt.

The real issue is what Cheney knew and when he knew it. Libby's lies were intentionally designed to keep Fitzgerald from getting a closer look at Cheney and determining what role Cheney had in the leak campaign and whether he knew Plame was covert. That's why the obstruction was a big deal. That's why no one was charged; the IIPA requires that you prove knowledge and Fitzgerald couldn't.

An additional point that's relevant. Most of Libby's defenders -- George W. Bush, David Brooks, etc. -- don't seem to be denying that Libby committed a crime by lying under oath to investigators. They want us to say that, rather, he deserves to be treated very leniently because there was no big deal here. The alleged absence of an underlying crime is key to that theory. The converse theory is that there was an underlying crime and the crime can't be proven because Libby lied to investigators.

If that theory is wrong -- if there really was no crime -- then it seems we ought to get some kind of explanation from Libby as to why he lied. People sometimes do have reasons to lie to investigators other than a desire to cover up criminal activity (hiding non-criminal activity that's embarrassing is the obvious one) but if Libby wants mercy he should offer up a plausible score on this account. But Libby hasn't offered any such story. Instead, he's offered a wildly implausible story -- that he's innocent. Under those circumstances, it's very odd to offer clemency. He's shown no remorse and appears to be continually engaged in a conspiracy to obstruct justice. Maybe there was no crime here; but if there wasn't, then what was Libby doing? He's not even trying to convince us that he had some other reason to lie

credit: Matt Yeglaisis


my take on it is pretty simple (even our RW dummies can understand these facts)

he "X piece of information" that Fitzgerald was looking for was the opposite of perjury, i.e. truthful testimony under oath, from the people who were in the room when the decision to burn an undercover American spy was made. Duh. Maybe Fitzgerald didn't explain this because only a fucking moron would have needed it to be explained to him.

(if you want examples of said morons, talk to our RW idiots here)

Just be aware, everyone, we all are perfectly aware that testimonial evidence is evidence. Bush and the RW consider the political fortunes of the Republican Party to be more important than the effectiveness of American intelligence or the safety of our fellow citizens. Bush will happily advocate the deaths of thousands of Americans or millions of non-Americans just to see his party possibly win on Election Day 2008.

[White_Male_Canada]

Looking forward to the Conyers hearing of this travesty.............

You`re a certified idiot.

Article II Section II U.S. Constitution.

Conyers has nothing but bullshit.

Here comes some of of those hated fact white_canada can't handle.....

The problem with the radical left is that the only thing that fills the void in their collective consciousness is the hope that life can somehow be explained by one massive conspiracy after another, giving them some structure to their otherwise empty lives.

Here`s the problem with your conspiracy.

- Joe and Val hobnobbed throughout Washington DC cocktail parties with ol` Joe introducing his wife as an employee of the CIA.

- 36 news organizations confederated to file a friend-of-the-court brief in the judith Miller case. To be brief, all 36 stated no law was broken because Plame's identity as a CIA officer was first disclosed to Russia in the mid-1990s and that when the CIA sent classified documents to the Swiss embassy in Havana, the Cubans, as Bill Gertz reported, "[t]he documents were supposed to be sealed from the Cuban government, but [unidentified U.S.] intelligence officials said the Cubans read the classified material and learned the secrets contained in them."

-The Senate Select Intelligence Committee dedicated 48 pages to Joe Wilson that demonstrates, in detail, that virtually everything Joseph Wilson said publicly about his trip, from its origins to his conclusions, was false.

And of course Val was publicly listed in WhosWho since `99.

[ps911fan]

[quote="White_Male_Canada"][quote]
[quote="White_Bitch_Canada"]

The problem with the radical left is that the only thing that fills the void in their collective consciousness is the hope that life can somehow be explained by one massive conspiracy after another, giving them some structure to their otherwise empty lives.

Here`s the problem with your conspiracy.

- Joe and Val hobnobbed throughout Washington DC cocktail parties with ol` Joe introducing his wife as an employee of the CIA.

- 36 news organizations confederated to file a friend-of-the-court brief in the judith Miller case. To be brief, all 36 stated no law was broken because Plame's identity as a CIA officer was first disclosed to Russia in the mid-1990s and that when the CIA sent classified documents to the Swiss embassy in Havana, the Cubans, as Bill Gertz reported, "[t]he documents were supposed to be sealed from the Cuban government, but [unidentified U.S.] intelligence officials said the Cubans read the classified material and learned the secrets contained in them."

-The Senate Select Intelligence Committee dedicated 48 pages to Joe Wilson that demonstrates, in detail, that virtually everything Joseph Wilson said publicly about his trip, from its origins to his conclusions, was false.

And of course Val was publicly listed in WhosWho since `99.

Most of your info is BS especially the Senate Committee - run by another Bush Bitch Pat Roberts.......

Valerie Plame was under cover....there is no facts except RW spin that she was introduced by her husband as a CIA worker.....

Once again, the real facts are clear.....presented in a court of law by Patrick Fitzgerald........showing that Valerie Plame was covert when outed..,,.

Reasonable people like facts....here is the unspinnable evidence.....

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/se...mployement.pdf

supporting articles that completely blow your BS away

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18924679/

http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/7/13/04720/

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...n2865777.shtml

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/16/...ert-testimony/

http://www.pensitoreview.com/2007/07...comment-356519


Some idiots just dont learn........WMC is proud of his lack of knowledge

[White_Male_Canada]

[quote="ps911fan"][quote="White_Male_Canada"][quote]

The problem with the radical left is that the only thing that fills the void in their collective consciousness is the hope that life can somehow be explained by one massive conspiracy after another, giving them some structure to their otherwise empty lives.

Here`s the problem with your conspiracy.

- Joe and Val hobnobbed throughout Washington DC cocktail parties with ol` Joe introducing his wife as an employee of the CIA.

- 36 news organizations confederated to file a friend-of-the-court brief in the judith Miller case. To be brief, all 36 stated no law was broken because Plame's identity as a CIA officer was first disclosed to Russia in the mid-1990s and that when the CIA sent classified documents to the Swiss embassy in Havana, the Cubans, as Bill Gertz reported, "[t]he documents were supposed to be sealed from the Cuban government, but [unidentified U.S.] intelligence officials said the Cubans read the classified material and learned the secrets contained in them."

-The Senate Select Intelligence Committee dedicated 48 pages to Joe Wilson that demonstrates, in detail, that virtually everything Joseph Wilson said publicly about his trip, from its origins to his conclusions, was false.

And of course Val was publicly listed in WhosWho since `99.

Most of your info is BS especially the Senate Committee - run by another Bush Bitch Pat Roberts.......

Valerie Plame was under cover....there is no facts except RW spin that she was introduced by her husband as a CIA worker.....

Once again, the real facts are clear.....presented in a court of law by Patrick Fitzgerald........showing that Valerie Plame was covert when outed..,,.

Reasonable people like facts....here is the unspinnable evidence.....

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/se...mployement.pdf

supporting articles that completely blow your BS away

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18924679/

http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/7/13/04720/

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...n2865777.shtml

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/16/...ert-testimony/

http://www.pensitoreview.com/2007/07...comment-356519


Some idiots just dont learn........WMC is proud of his lack of knowledge

Deny reality all you like. Go read the amicus. Can`t be covert if everyone knows, including 36 news organizations,therefore no underlying crime..

- 36 news organizations confederated to file a friend-of-the-court brief in the judith Miller case. To be brief, all 36 stated no law was broken because Plame's identity as a CIA officer was first disclosed to Russia in the mid-1990s and that when the CIA sent classified documents to the Swiss embassy in Havana, the Cubans, as Bill Gertz reported, "[t]he documents were supposed to be sealed from the Cuban government, but [unidentified U.S.] intelligence officials said the Cubans read the classified material and learned the secrets contained in them."