EVOLUTION is a figment of Chef Mike's imagination.

[guyone]

If you've got so many problems with religion why don't you just stop going to church?

[White_Male_Canada]

To repeat myself without shouting,

Maybe you can fill us in on the chemical pathways the Christians are proposing.

At issue here is not God but your central premise.Whether you speak one of the modern creeds,be it communism,socialism,neo-marxism,existentialism,positivism,freudism,atheism ,etc.All these doctrines of which one of you probably belong to took as their point of departure the so called “death of God”.All resting on the fundamental conviction , once thought to be scientifically demonstrated,that human life arose in the universe as a chance event.All had this in common,the central idea of the “random universe”.

Dawkins himself noted that scientific theories (neo darwinism) can rely on only so much “luck” before they cease to be credible.Now, when will the atheist/darwinists prove a single protein arose unaided.

[trish]

At issue here is the very issue YOU brought up several posts back: how can we account, in detail (you wanted details, right?), for the appearance of proteins on Earth. I concede God may or may not have made them, but neither proposal answers the question. Let’s grant that God made them. What did He use? Which protein did He make first? Which building blocks did He make first? Did he construct the building blocks for the first time as He was linking them into the first protein? Did He have to defy entropy or was His procedure in accord with thermodynamics. A proper answer to your question will no doubt provide answers to some of these questions as well.

[White_Male_Canada]

At issue here is the very issue YOU brought up several posts back: how can we account, in detail (you wanted details, right?), for the appearance of proteins on Earth. I concede God may or may not have made them, but neither proposal answers the question. Let’s grant that God made them. What did He use? Which protein did He make first? Which building blocks did He make first? Did he construct the building blocks for the first time as He was linking them into the first protein? Did He have to defy entropy or was His procedure in accord with thermodynamics. A proper answer to your question will no doubt provide answers to some of these questions as well.

Ideals such as ID and the anthropoc principle are de reguire.Planck`s constant, h , and , g . The slightest infinitesimal change in any of these values would have resulted in a universe so profoundly different as to be unrecognizable and radically inhospitable to life.

Einstein said that the greatest velocity possible is that of light in free space. Nothing can go faster because, mass increases with velocity. It would take an almost infinite amount of thrust to increase the speed of the almost infinitely massive object, the ship your inside of.At the speed of light, the almost disappears, and we have an infinite mass needing an infinite amount of energy to keep it traveling at the infinite speed of light.

Now scientists beleive all this without ever experiencing any of it. They just accept it never asking why. But, their approach, on behalf of their career, respects their tabus. Where a Christian's universe is described in historic terms or metaphor, a physicist`s universe is made of numbers.The scientists say it is infinite, not comprehensible, or simply not known yet. The religionist or non-secular scientist, says that which is ultimate and not known, should be described by what is known, plus logic.

source;Larry Leonard

[trish]

You're the one who asked the technical question and thought its answer would somehow be religiously significant. If you think you're in a better position to answer it, then please do. Which protein did God make first and how did He make it?

[White_Male_Canada]

You're the one who asked the technical question and thought its answer would somehow be religiously significant. If you think you're in a better position to answer it, then please do. Which protein did God make first and how did He make it?

Just did. To repeat :

Now scientists beleive all this without ever experiencing any of it. They just accept it never asking why. But, their approach, on behalf of their career, respects their tabus. Where a Christian's universe is described in historic terms or metaphor, a physicist`s universe is made of numbers.The scientists say it is infinite, not comprehensible, or simply not known yet. The religionist or non-secular scientist, says that which is ultimate and not known, should be described by what is known, plus logic.

You`re the numbers person. When will the atheist/darwinists scientifically prove a single protein arose unaided.

[trish]

Never. The assertion that "proteins arose unaided" is not a scientific hypothesis. At least not in that vague form. Care to be more specific about what you mean by "unaided" and what you mean by "prove".

[Oli]

. But in the world of physical fact, modern science reigns.

That`s great.

Let`s take a step back to the beginning Trish ol` gal,

how did the first protein invent itself ?

Nice thread hijack asshole.

[Rogers]

. But in the world of physical fact, modern science reigns.

That`s great.

Let`s take a step back to the beginning Trish ol` gal,

how did the first protein invent itself ?

Nice thread hijack asshole.

He's playing a flanker, Oli. He knows that there is nothing in the fossil record that backs up Creationism, so he's asking us to prove how the first proteins (i.e. the basic building blocks of life) were formed. We can only make proteins ourselves using complex experiments. So he's implying that God did it. He forgets, that although we can make our own proteins, we cannot recreate fusion. Yet a fusion reaction is initiated every time a star fires up. So does God go around the Universe lighting stars? _Canada, will probably say yes, he does, or he gets one of his Angels to do it.

[White_Male_Canada]

But in the world of physical fact, modern science reigns.

That`s great.

Let`s take a step back to the beginning Trish ol` gal,

how did the first protein invent itself ?

Nice thread hijack asshole.

He's playing a flanker, Oliquote

And you`re being sincere as a know-nothing Google cut and paste moron:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller-Urey_experiment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panspermia

You`re kidding right ? Using purified water/dumping in ampicillin/super heating to 80C/centrifuging/adding reagents/SEEDING/non-conclusive "potentials for sequentional evolution" ! ?

To google, cut and paste the long discredited U.M. experiment CLEARLY and UNEQUIVOCALLY tells us you`re an ignoramous.