What makes a Transsexual?

[tonkatoy]

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[insert_namehere]

It's amazing to me that there doesn't seem to be a topic on earth that everyone isn't willing to toss their 2 cents in on.

I, for one, have never been able to get into the mind of someone else in order to have a really keen insight into why they may do what they do. Suffice it to say, not being a transsexual, feeling like I SHOULD become a transsexual or in any other way uncomfortable in my own skin, I'm in no position to state my opinion on what or what doesn't constitute a transsexual.

End of the day, the folks on here that ARE ts have the only viewpoints that really matter, so why not reserve this thread for THEIR input?

Just my two cents on the matter. (Irony, yes... It follows me night and day)

[Vicki Richter]

I did this several years a go Peggy:

http://www.vickirichter.com/glossary.htm

[Realgirls4me]

It's amazing to me that there doesn't seem to be a topic on earth that everyone isn't willing to toss their 2 cents in on.

I, for one, have never been able to get into the mind of someone else in order to have a really keen insight into why they may do what they do. Suffice it to say, not being a transsexual, feeling like I SHOULD become a transsexual or in any other way uncomfortable in my own skin, I'm in no position to state my opinion on what or what doesn't constitute a transsexual.

End of the day, the folks on here that ARE ts have the only viewpoints that really matter, so why not reserve this thread for THEIR input?

Just my two cents on the matter. (Irony, yes... It follows me night and day)

Uuuuh, it's a forum for one thing, and one need not be a chef to realize the souffle isn't happening today.

[insert_namehere]

Uuuuh, it's a forum for one thing, and one need not be a chef to realize the souffle isn't happening today.

It helps if one does know the difference between scrambled eggs and a souffle, though.

[peggygee]

But I think many others are not on this progressive scale at all; sure, there's always a progression of sorts as one discovers and even invents oneself over time, but the "end goal" is not the same and shouldn't be held out as such.

Many transsexuals are quite happy without opting for SRS; they aren't any less woman than one who has had SRS. Nor is a post-op transwoman any higher or superior to a non-op transwoman. To a pre-op, yes, as that presumes that the pre-op as yet feels incomplete, but this is not true for the non-op.

I tend to concur that a post op is not superior to
the pre op, who is not superior to the non op.

And while in the Type Six: or so called True Transsexual
(high intensity) SRS is indicated, sought after, and
obtained, there are indeed many individuals for whom
the reassignment surgery is not appropriate.

Bottom line, there are many that state they they are
transsexual women, but as we know merely having a
pussy and tits do not a woman make.

Nor does the act of having breast implants and other
cosmetic surgery make a women a transsexual, there
are additional clear and definite psychological criteria
that must be fulfilled.

[tsntx]

ooh im moderate intensity

[Vicki Richter]

I'm old school and somewhat rigid on this, if you don't fit the
Benjamin criteria and or APA guidelines, you are not a transsexual.

To the untrained and trained eye as well, it may be difficult to discern
the 'true' transsexual.

It can not ascertained merely by demeanor, manner of dress, etc.
Perhaps this will be helpful in making an accurate assessment:

Dr. Harry S. Benjamin's Gender Disorientation Scale

Type One: Transvestite (Pseudo)
Gender Feeling: Masculine
Dressing Habits and Social Life: Lives as a man. Could get occasional kick
out of dressing. Normal male life.
Sex Object Choice and Sex Life: Hetero, bi, or homosexual. Dressing
and -- more --exchange may occur in masturbation fantasies mainly.
May enjoy TV literature only.
Kinsey Scale: 0-6
Conversion Operation: Not considered in reality.
Estrogen Medication: Not interested or indicated.
Psychotherapy: Not wanted and unnecessary.
Remarks: Interests in dressing is only sporadic.

Type Two: Transvestism (Fetishistic)
Gender Feeling: Masculine
Dressing Habits and Social Life: Lives as a man. Dressing periodically or
part of the time. Dresses underneath male clothes.
Sex Object Choice and Sex Life: Heterosexual. Rarely bisexual.
Masturbation with fetish. Guilt feelings. Purges and relapses.
Kinsey Scale: 0-2
Conversion Operation: Rejected
Estrogen Medication: Rarely interested. Occasionally useful to reduce
libido. Psychotherapy: May be successful (in a favorable environment.)
Remarks: May imitate double (masculine and feminine) personality with
male and female names.

Type Three: Transvestism (True)
Gender Feeling: Masculine (but with less conviction.)
Dressing Habits and Social Life: Dresses constantly or as often as
possible. May live and be accepted as woman. May dress underneath
male clothes, if no other chance.
Sex Object Choice and Sex Life: Heterosexual, except when dressed.
Dressing gives sexual satisfaction with relief of gender discomfort. May
purge and relapse.
Kinsey Scale: 0-2
Conversion Operation: Actually rejected, but idea can be attractive.
Estrogen Medication: Attractive as an experiment. Can be helpful
emotionally Psychotherapy: If attempted is usually not successful as
to cure.
Remarks: May assume double personality. Trend toward transsexualism.

Type Four: Transsexual (Nonsurgical)
Gender Feeling: Undecided. Wavering between TV and TS.
Dressing Habits and Social Life: Dresses as often as possible with
insufficient relief of his gender discomfort. May live as a man or woman;
sometimes alternating.
Sex Object Choice and Sex Life: Libido often low. Asexual or auto-
erotic. Could be bisexual. Could also be married and have children. Kinsey Scale: 1-4
Conversion Operation: Attractive but not requested or attraction not
admitted.
Estrogen Medication: Needed for comfort and emotional balance.
Psychotherapy: Only as guidance; otherwise refused or unsuccessful.
Remarks: Social life dependent upon circumstances.

Type Five: True Transsexual (moderate intensity)
Gender Feeling: Feminine (trapped in male body)
Dressing Habits and Social Life: Lives and works as woman if possible.
Insufficient relief from dressing. Sex Object Choice and Sex Life:
Libido low. Asexual auto-erotic, or passive homosexual activity. May
have been married and have children.
Kinsey Scale: 4-6
Conversion Operation: Requested and usually indicated.
Estrogen Medication: Needed as substitute for or preliminary to operation.
Psychotherapy: Rejected. Useless as to cure. Permissive psychological guidance.
Remarks: Operation hoped for and worked for. Often attained.

Type Six: True Transsexual (high intensity)
Gender Feeling: Feminine. Total psycho-sexual inversion.
Dressing Habits and Social Life: May live and work as a woman. Dressing
gives insufficient relief. Gender discomfort intense.
Sex Object Choice and Sex Life: Intensely desires relations with normal
male as female if young. May have been married and have children, by using fantasies in intercourse.
Kinsey Scale: 6
Conversion Operation: Urgently requested and usually attained. Indicated.
Estrogen Medication: Required for partial relief.
Psychotherapy: Psychological guidance or psychotherapy for symptomaticrelief only.
Remarks: Despises his male sex organs. Danger of suicide or self-mutilation, if too long frustrated

Source: http://www.genderpsychology.org/tran...njamin_gd.html

He was just a man and not a transsexual. I don't really buy into psychotherapy. I don't fit into any of those criteria I don't think and I don't know that many pre-ops that I defined as shemale do either.

Why? Well first, a "shemale" can live as a woman with a penis for 10-20 years in some cases. However, I would say most "shemales" can afford to go post-op many times over. Allanah, Gia, Danielle, myself, Joanna Jet, Vo, Jennifer Paris, Vaniity, Holly Sweet... all these girls could have gone post op at any time because we have all had enough money to do so many times in our lives. If we truly were experiencing revulsion for the penis it would have been gone. Period.

The closest description is the Transsexual (nonsurgical) but I don't see any of us waivering on our convictions between TV and TS.

My point I suppose is that there is a new breed of transsexuals who can live with a penis for years if not indefinitely, but still 100% identifies as female.

Again, I don't even think transsexualism is a mental sickness in many cases. It is a choice.

[peggygee]

He was just a man and not a transsexual. I don't really buy into psychotherapy. I don't fit into any of those criteria I don't think and I don't know that many pre-ops that I defined as shemale do either.

Why? Well first, a "shemale" can live as a woman with a penis for 10-20 years in some cases. However, I would say most "shemales" can afford to go post-op many times over. Allanah, Gia, Danielle, myself, Joanna Jet, Vo, Jennifer Paris, Vaniity, Holly Sweet... all these girls could have gone post op at any time because we have all had enough money to do so many times in our lives. If we truly were experiencing revulsion for the penis it would have been gone. Period.

The closest description is the Transsexual (nonsurgical) but I don't see any of us waivering on our convictions between TV and TS.

My point I suppose is that there is a new breed of transsexuals who can live with a penis for years if not indefinitely, but still 100% identifies as female.

Again, I don't even think transsexualism is a mental sickness in many cases. It is a choice.

Here's where it gets problematic; With people self diagnosing and creating
their own terms for their situation.

You of course are aware of how manytimes I have gone on record about
the 'shemale' term. It is a term created by the porn idustry for marketing
purposes, and I'm not sure how many girls would identify with your
definition here;

Shemale
I most closely identify with shemale. While many will argue that shemale is the porn industries definition of a transexual, I have found that this is not the case. A shemale is someone who typically lives as a female, but has a penis and, whether she uses it or not, she no intention of removing it. She likes to cum. More than likely, this person has taken hormones, removed body and facial hair, and/or has had breast implants. Also, many shemales have their own natural long hair. A shemale identifies as a woman and typically is attracted to men and only men. I'm one of the exceptions here as I am bi-sexual, but I prefer men. While there are beautiful girls in all of the categories mentioned, I tend to believe that the most beautiful girls as a whole are shemales. By the way, I have many friends who fit into this category so don't argue with me that I am making it up.

Thus I would have to cast my vote with the Benjamin Society and The
American Psychiatric Society, which are world wide recognized sources
and standards on the matter.

[peggygee]

He was just a man and not a transsexual. I don't really buy into psychotherapy. I don't fit into any of those criteria I don't think and I don't know that many pre-ops that I defined as shemale do either.

Why? Well first, a "shemale" can live as a woman with a penis for 10-20 years in some cases. However, I would say most "shemales" can afford to go post-op many times over. Allanah, Gia, Danielle, myself, Joanna Jet, Vo, Jennifer Paris, Vaniity, Holly Sweet... all these girls could have gone post op at any time because we have all had enough money to do so many times in our lives. If we truly were experiencing revulsion for the penis it would have been gone. Period.

The closest description is the Transsexual (nonsurgical) but I don't see any of us waivering on our convictions between TV and TS.

My point I suppose is that there is a new breed of transsexuals who can live with a penis for years if not indefinitely, but still 100% identifies as female.

Again, I don't even think transsexualism is a mental sickness in many cases. It is a choice.

I get the sense that Type Five is more appropriate in the cases that you
have described with many of the women that you have mentioned
stating that they would opt for SRS at some point. If not now, at some
point in the forseeable future

Type Five: True Transsexual (moderate intensity)
Gender Feeling: Feminine (trapped in male body)
Dressing Habits and Social Life: Lives and works as woman if possible.
Insufficient relief from dressing. Sex Object Choice and Sex Life:
Libido low. Asexual auto-erotic, or passive homosexual activity. May
have been married and have children.
Kinsey Scale: 4-6
Conversion Operation: Requested and usually indicated.
Estrogen Medication: Needed as substitute for or preliminary to operation.
Psychotherapy: Rejected. Useless as to cure. Permissive psychological guidance.
Remarks: Operation hoped for and worked for. Often attained