Dogfighting or Cockfighting: Which do you prefer?

[4star4]

Chef,

I guess I'm quite naive on this topic. I didn't know that black people were more apt to advocate dogfighting. Anyway, I'm white, and I would be considered rural. I have a Jack Russell Terrior, named Katie. She's very gentle around me, but doesn't take well to strangers. I'll have to read back to TJT's comment. I don't know about that "would be thug hip hop culture" you referred to though.

[Jericho]

Slap the living fuck outta the owners and then make them fight to the death....That would be much more entertaining, IMO.

[LG]

chefmike said:

I myself find both activities reprehensible, and I find the cockfights and dogfights here at HA to be much more civilized and entertaining...

Jericho said:

Slap the living fuck outta the owners and then make them fight to the death....That would be much more entertaining, IMO.

I agree. Training animals in order to fight and then forcing them to do so is cruel and barbaric. Such people deserve to be put in jail and bitchslapped till they cry.

[LoadedRevolver66]

ARMANIXXX, I totally agree with your libertarian position on the matter.

Personally, I don't think I'd have a problem with either, just because I have a general interest in gruesome shit, death scenes, etc. The closest I've come to actually seeing one was on a clip from Faces of Death - at a Mexican dogfight - and the action looked pretty intense. There are some places where cock fighting is legal - Louisiana and Puerto Rico come to mind - and its more of a cultural tradition in those places. It's not like people watch it with no bloodlust, and its definitely not traditional to the extent of Spanish bullfighting, but it has a hell of a lot more significance than some 50 cent wannabe fighting his rottweiler in the projects. Not to say I wouldn't be down for watching said wannabe fight dogs in someone's basement, but that's just a thrill, totally devoid of any cultural significance. But if I actually get around to seeing a cock or dog fight, then I might change my mind. There's a world of difference between just talking about something online and actually doing it in real life.

[LG]

You know what...

The way I see it, It's Michael Vicks freakin dog, and he can do whatever in the hell he wants to do with the freakin dog he owns.

I personally am not into dogfighting, but if I want to fight my dog, then so what.

Humans fight. Boxing, MMA, Swordfights (underground and overseas).

So the way I see it, HIS dog....so....good for him I guess.

On this we disagree completely. If some guy is bloodthirsty let him get into a ring with another and have them punch their brains out. But don't force two dogs to fight each other.

You might own the dog legally, but that doesn't give you a right to make the dog fight. It doesn't give you a right to be cruel to it.

A dog is a living, breathing creature that unlike humans doesn't have the capacity to hate and kill for pleasure.

Dogfighting is immoral and wrong in my opinion and anyone who makes their animal fight is an asshole of the highest order and deserves to be locked up.

[peggygee]

It's inhumane and barbaric.

The owners of these animals
should be prosecuted to the
fullest extent of the law.

[ARMANIXXX]

On this we disagree completely. If some guy is bloodthirsty let him get into a ring with another and have them punch their brains out. But don't force two dogs to fight each other.

You might own the dog legally, but that doesn't give you a right to make the dog fight. It doesn't give you a right to be cruel to it.

A dog is a living, breathing creature that unlike humans doesn't have the capacity to hate and kill for pleasure.

Dogfighting is immoral and wrong in my opinion and anyone who makes their animal fight is an asshole of the highest order and deserves to be locked up.

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I've owned 3 dogs in my life, mostly German Shephers, and while I would have never "fought" them in some contest, I do feel humans are the absolute owners of their pets and thus, I believe they can and SHOULD be able to do what they want with them.

Your cup of tea may not be someone elses and vice versa. What I don't appreciate is the general and overal meddling in other peoples affars. Kinda like what I feel is going on in Iraq right now, but thats for a whole different topic.


At anyrate, I think Michael Vick didn't do anything wrong if he did fight dogs.

[LG]

On this we disagree completely. If some guy is bloodthirsty let him get into a ring with another and have them punch their brains out. But don't force two dogs to fight each other.

You might own the dog legally, but that doesn't give you a right to make the dog fight. It doesn't give you a right to be cruel to it.

A dog is a living, breathing creature that unlike humans doesn't have the capacity to hate and kill for pleasure.

Dogfighting is immoral and wrong in my opinion and anyone who makes their animal fight is an asshole of the highest order and deserves to be locked up.

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I've owned 3 dogs in my life, mostly German Shephers, and while I would have never "fought" them in some contest, I do feel humans are the absolute owners of their pets and thus, I believe they can and SHOULD be able to do what they want with them.

Your cup of tea may not be someone elses and vice versa. What I don't appreciate is the general and overal meddling in other peoples affars. Kinda like what I feel is going on in Iraq right now, but thats for a whole different topic.


At anyrate, I think Michael Vick didn't do anything wrong if he did fight dogs.

So if it's your dog it's okay to starve him to death or beat him on the head with a crowbar because he belongs to you? Just because you paid the puppy farm you feel you should be entitled to do what you want with the dog? If your neighbour beat his dog and let him die of thirst would you not care because he owned him?

Does a dog not have a life worth living?

It's not about cups of tea, it's about morality and the treatment of sentient beings. And let me tell you that if I saw my neigbour kick his dog I'd warn him in no uncertain terms that the next time I saw him do it I'd get the cops to haul his ass into jail for animal cruelty.

[tonkatoy]

Being cruel to animals is cowardly and unbelievably stupid. I am an atheist so I can not wish for practitioners of the activity to be damned to hell, but i wouldn't loose any sleep if somebody came to their house late at night and fed them into a tub grinder, the big tracked kind they use to make mulch. I like animals far more than other people.

I am not a vegetarian, and I hunt and fish, but at least in hunting I try and only make clean kills, I have passed up many many shots because I just wasn't sure. Hunting and fishing and farming all serve a purpose, they are not gratuitous.

Dog fighting and cock fighting are just evil. I don't want the govt looking over my shoulder either, so I think people who are cruel to their animals , I mean unforgivably cruel, should be taken out and quietly beaten to death by their peers.

[trish]

This is a tough one, Chefmike. Usually I support individual liberties when they don’t infringe on the rights of others. Now one might think that in this case, these liberties entail same consequences as gambling generally does, and that cockfighting, dog fighting and bull fighting are no different than say, boxing. One difference might be that boxing only injures intelligent, sentient beings; another that boxer’s choose to fight. The Australian philosopher Singer (forget his first name at moment) contends that it’s immoral to cause another creature unnecessary pain, regardless of that creature’s species. If in fact dog’s feel pain (and they probably do), according to Singer, it would be immoral to put them in a situation that will cause them pain merely so you can enjoy the fight and make a bet. I don’t have a lot of sympathy with Singer, but I find it very difficult to argue against his point.

In the end, though i'm not a vegetarian, i'm going to go with peggy on this one...she's almost always right (meaning after she says it, what she says seems sooo obviously right).

Still, I must confess, I thought this thread was going to be about cocks and maybe Tgirls who fought each other like dogs.