How do you feel about?

[MrsKellyPierce]

Gays and Lesbians? I noticed while I was doing work with the LGBT and going to Westcare meetings to talk to other transexuals about their problems and aid for help. That a lot of transexual sisters were totally against gays and even seemed like they hated them. Calling them "fags" and "gross" but inturn of course the gay community will call us "freaks" and "gross" also.

I have also noticed in the "gay & lesbian" world if you aren't hmm I'll say body beautiful you also get poked fun at or not very well supported from the community. Which may be one of the reasons, or some transexuals are repressing out of not wanting to be labled as a gay/lesbian person. What are your thoughts on this? I'd love to hear them.

My own experience..I was honestly surprised to hear this cause I've always had a lot of Lesbian and gay friends and always been accepted. But when I was living down in Florida I could see the battlelines between the transgenders and the lesbian and gays. It was just a shock to me. I had one transexual act out against me in a Westcare Meeting when I said we all need one voice and unite as a team for our rights. She really didn't like that at all. By the way I still believe that...we need team work. St. Pete PRIDE had a very diverse board....A post op as the female co-chair, a pre-op transexual as their secretary (me) A african-American Co-chair which doesn't happen quite often and I could go on in the diversity. I don't know where the battle lines were drawn? I would just like some insight maybe of people that are older and wiser that were around when maybe these battle lines started.


Forgot the men's perspective..I've also noticed from guys I've dated in the past they will make fun of gays (not lesbians of course unless they are butch ) and transexuals who they think aren't up to par. They will also make fun of drag queens and so on. I am sure this is repression on their part, but there could be more to it also. Guys why do feel some of your fellow men feel this way? If you do feel this way please explain?

[MrsKellyPierce]

I know it's a long read, however I think we can get good views from both spectrums. Maybe understand more also.

[tsfarrah]

I know it's a long read, however I think we can get good views from both spectrums. Maybe understand more also.

hi Kelly

I agree with you,I have lots of gay friends who are fine with transsexuals and vise versa

however even in London there is an unspoken divide between the gay & transsexual communities

[suckseed]

I'll say this - knowing we are hardly friends. Your posts have shown a lot more insight lately. I think you've been keeping your intelligence on the back shelf, and it's nice to see a more serious side of you. Really.

I've read here and elsewhere that transexuals aren't into men who see them as 'boys with boobs'. Or a man that would go with a crossdresser. They said they've put a lot of work into becoming what they were meant to be, and a crossdresser sort of makes a mockery of all that. Plus there's always the competitive aspect. Why would a lesbian be hostile to a man simply because he's a man? Not all are, of course, but I've definitely gotten a vibe from some lesbians. My roommate is one, and we're pretty close, but she's a sweetie, and we know each other. But at least one TS who posts here lost her boyfriend to a man. I was amazed to read that at the time -- but then again I don't see TS admirers as gay, though I must admit that's gray area for many.
Another thing: many flamboyantly gay men act more girly than girls are. Many people find that irritating. TS included.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I know it's a long read, however I think we can get good views from both spectrums. Maybe understand more also.

hi Kelly

I agree with you,I have lots of gay friends who are fine with transsexuals and vise versa

however even in London there is an unspoken divide between the gay & transsexual communities

See yeah but girl you are beautiful :P I noticed the girls that aren't so are the ones that are most bitter acting towards the gay community.

[peggygee]

I feel that it is a generalization to say that gays or lesbians are our
allies simply by virtue of them being a repressed minority.

Just as there are heterosexual people that do or don't empathize with
our plight, there are gays and lesbians that also don't have our best
interests at heart.

As we have discussed, for gays and lesbians it is more a sexualty issue,
who do they want to partner with, who do they want to go to bed with,
who would they like to marry.

With the transgendered population it is more about being in the wrong
gender at birth and then the part of who they would like to
partner with may rear it's head.

To the larger society, they may lump us all 'in one large fruit bowl', but
when discussing GLBT you really aren't talking about apples and oranges,
but rather, fruits and vegetables, if you will pardon my metaphor.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I'll say this - knowing we are hardly friends. Your posts have shown a lot more insight lately. I think you've been keeping your intelligence on the back shelf, and it's nice to see a more serious side of you. Really.

I've read here and elsewhere that transexuals aren't into men who see them as 'boys with boobs'. Or a man that would go with a crossdresser. They said they've put a lot of work into becoming what they were meant to be, and a crossdresser sort of makes a mockery of all that. Plus there's always the competitive aspect. Why would a lesbian be hostile to a man simply because he's a man? Not all are, of course, but I've definitely gotten a vibe from some lesbians. My roommate is one, and we're pretty close, but she's a sweetie, and we know each other. But at least one TS who posts here lost her boyfriend to a man. I was amazed to read that at the time -- but then again I don't see TS admirers as gay, though I must admit that's gray area for many.
Another thing: many flamboyantly gay men act more girly than girls are. Many people find that irritating. TS included.

ha ha suckseed I have intelligence, but I prefer to be sarcastic and act like a bimbo.

Yeah I totally understand the perspective not wanting to be viewed as a "man with tits" and the uncomfortable feeling towards 'crossdressers' I can admit I have some of those same prejudices. Transvestites freak me out more due to their fetish of lingerie. I just can't fathom getting a hard on from lingerie or womans clothing. I have also seen the female mask thing done from them which I find very strange. However I don't go out of my way to judge them or be rude to them. To each their own.

That happens sometimes, some men use transexuals as a stepping ground towards being with men. Which ultimately sucks for the girl in the relationship. I have never had that experience, so I can't say how it feels. I have had the feeling of being left for a woman, which hurt a lot. So I am guessing it feels about the same?


I find the flamboyant gay men funny, but in doses. I have a friend though who acts straight as can be outside the club, but once he gets in the club he is pure diva. I never understood that? I guess to scream he is gay. But he is so pretty that I think most of them can guess with out the facade of the voice and being overly flamboyant.

[tsfarrah]

[/quote] See yeah but girl you are beautiful :P I noticed the girls that aren't so are the ones that are most bitter acting towards the gay community.[/quote]

thank you for your compliments hunni

this is a tuff one,I've found that (me personally) its Drag Queens that have a problem with ts girls

(not all Drag Queens)

I think some gay guys just think that being TS is a waste of energy
and that TS girls should just accept that they are gay
I've heard it said before

[MrsKellyPierce]

I feel that it is a generalization to say that gays or lesbians are our
allies simply by virtue of them being a repressed minority.

Just as there are heterosexual people that do or don't empathize with
our plight, there are gays and lesbians that also don't have our best
interests at heart.

As we have discussed, for gays and lesbians it is more a sexualty issue,
who do they want to partner with, who do they want to go to bed with,
who would they like to marry.

With the transgendered population it is more about being in the wrong
gender at birth and then the part of who they would like to
partner with may rear it's head.

To the larger society, they may lump us all 'in one large fruit bowl', but
when discussing GLBT you really aren't talking about apples and oranges,
but rather, fruits and vegetables, if you will pardon my metaphor.

I get where you are coming from Peggy, however if I am imagining it forgive me, but from reading your post I gather a slight undertone of disdain towards them.

I see it as we are one, due to the fact many do not understand why we are this way. They see it as purely sexual, but standing with a group, getting our views heard. Educating the gay and lesbian community, as well as the straight community. Helps and benefits us in the end.

Clearly I stated it was from both sides also peggy in my first paragraph. I didn't say it was just from one community that was doing all the hate and disgust towards one another. I was more looking for a reason of why it is, rather than about sexuality or transgenderism being born in the wrong body..no offense.

[MrsKellyPierce]

See yeah but girl you are beautiful :P I noticed the girls that aren't so are the ones that are most bitter acting towards the gay community.[/quote]

thank you for your compliments hunni

this is a tuff one,I've found that (me personally) its Drag Queens that have a problem with ts girls

(not all Drag Queens)

I think some gay guys just think that being TS is a waste of energy
and that TS girls should just accept that they are gay
I've heard it said before[/quote] Oh yes I totally feel you on that. When I did pageants I'd get a lot of jealousy and hate from the drag queens. Saying it's not "real" drag cause I don't have to "paint" like they do. And it's not fair..etc, etc, etc. Oh yeah I've heard that from gay guys many times..one said "If you look good thats one thing, but why waste the energy if you look like a hot mess or a man in drag." I tried explaining to him while he poked fun at this transexual girl on the dance floor, but he wasn't hearing it.