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    Quote Originally Posted by backthen
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    yes but the percent of positive cases is so high in ts
    Well, here's where I suggest you work on your reading
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    IMPLICATIONS: The Transgender community is a largely
    diverse group
    . Within the TG community are particular
    sub-groups that are more at risk than others. MTF (male to female
    transgender) sex workers have high rates of HIV infection
    , with
    overall rates of 35% in San Francisco in 1997 and 22% in Los Angeles
    in 1998. A study of MTF sex workers in Atlanta found that 68% tested
    positive for HIV


    The STD infection rate in all sex workers will tend to be higher than
    average as compared to the rest of the populace.

    Given that an estimated %33 of transwoman are engaged in sex work
    that will leave %67 who are not.

    I trust that we won't be needing the Math version of of Hooked On
    Numbers?

    WAY more then 33% of all MTF are sex workers and you know this
    You know, I'm not too sure about that. The most visible are the sex workers so perhaps that leads one to suppose or assume most TG are sex workers.

    Interesting point, though. Be a good study.



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    Quote Originally Posted by whatsupwithat
    You know, I'm not too sure about that. The most visible are the sex workers so perhaps that leads one to suppose or assume most TG are sex workers.
    I don't see how a study can make conclusions about the % that are sex workers... it is very hard to find individuals to include in studies and... although I hate to bring up the "is stealth a fiction?" thread- if you're trying everything you can to;
    1- fade into the shadows/crowd
    2- not let anyone know you're trans if you can help it
    3- remove as much information as possible from the public record et al

    Then I don't see how alot of girls, can be taken into a study's consideration.

    That- and if we are talking ts universally, but not exclusive to tgirls... then one can not do much but wonder how FtMs fit into the picture/studies/etc on these topics (I guess they easily get forgotten in the realm of trans issues). If anyone has a better chance at doing stealth (or close to it), its the ftms because its so much easier for them to "look the part so to speak"- I have yet to see a ftm that didn't pass after merely being on T long enough... regardless the age they "start at"- with tgirls, if you start late enough I highly doubt E will be enough.



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    Quote Originally Posted by SarahG
    Quote Originally Posted by whatsupwithat
    You know, I'm not too sure about that. The most visible are the sex workers so perhaps that leads one to suppose or assume most TG are sex workers.
    I don't see how a study can make conclusions about the % that are sex workers...
    Yeah, it would be very difficult. There's even the population that work 9 to 5, don't advertise, don't fraternize with other TGs, and have a clientele. Perhaps the guys who visit sex workers are the key?



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    Everyone knows that the rate of transmission of HIV is superhigh in the transgender community.
    People need to get REAL........
    What causes MOST people to get HIV is their own PERSONAL choices.......
    Unless personal behavior gets modified nothing will change.
    The stats dont lie.



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    Default Re: HIV/STD issues within the transgendered community

    Quote Originally Posted by whatsupwithat
    First of all, by posting this I am not implying anything about anyone. Those of you that know me personally know that if anything, I believe we should support our brothers and sisters with HIV and educate those without HIV about prevention.

    Please read the whole thing to try and understand the issues involved. There are many. And maybe we, together, can make a difference?

    And to those who are perhaps not that educated about HIV, this doesn't mean you can't have sex. It just means to respect yourself and the person or people you're with. Be safe. Wear a condom. That's all.
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    National HIV Prevention Conference
    Atlanta, Georgia - Jun 12-15, 2005

    STD/HIV TRANSMISSION ISSUES
    AMONG TRANSGENDER


    ISSUE: HIV/STD transmission issues within the TG (transgender) community are misunderstood not only by the general population but by the transgender individual themselves. HIV/STD’s are also increasing at an alarming rate within the TG community.

    SETTING: HIV/STD transmission routes unique to the TG individual, issues in testing and receiving care, psychosocial issues of risk taking behavior.

    IMPLICATIONS: The Transgender community is a largely diverse group. Within the TG community are particular sub-groups that are more at risk than others. MTF (male to female transgender) sex workers have high rates of HIV infection, with overall rates of 35% in San Francisco in 1997 and 22% in Los Angeles in 1998. A study of MTF sex workers in Atlanta found that 68% tested positive for HIV. Infections among MTFs continue to rise, with an estimated rate of new infections of 3-8% per year. Injection drug use is also visible among MTFs, again putting them at high risk for HIV. In a San Francisco study, 18% of the respondents reported non-hormonal injection drug use in the past six months and half of this group shared syringes. MTFs may inject female hormones in order to feminize their bodies, putting them again at increased risk. Transphobia, or the pervasive social stigmatization of MTFs, greatly exacerbates their HIV risk. This intense stigmatization results in their social marginalization, which includes the denial of educational, employment and housing opportunities. It also creates multiple barriers to accessing health care. Such marginalization lowers MTFs’ self esteem, increases the likelihood of survival sex work and lessens the likelihood of safer sex practices. All of this can lead to high rates of HIV, STDs, drug use and attempted suicide. Pre-GRS (genital reassignment surgery) MTFs primarily have sex with men and are likely to engage in receptive anal sex, which puts them at increased risk. Some MTF commercial sex workers are willing to not use condoms with their paying partners if they are offered more money however, some studies show that most unprotected sex occurs with primary partners, not paying partners. Psychosocial factors such as poverty, low self-esteem, depression, rejection, and powerlessness are cited by many MTFs as barriers to sexual and drug risk reduction. For example, many MTFs state that they engage in unprotected sex because it validates their female gender identity and boosts their self-esteem. Commercial sex is largely a means of survival. For many MTFs, securing employment and housing are more pressing issues than HIV and must be addressed before HIV prevention efforts can be effective. Many trans-gender individuals do not access HIV prevention or health services due to the insensitivity of service providers and health care staff or fear of being revealed as transgender.

    Special thanks to: Transgender Advisory Committee to the AIDS Office and the San Francisco Department of Public Health, AIDS Office Kristen Clements, Kerrily Kitano, and Willy Wilkinson San Francisco County Jail (San Bruno), Tenderloin AIDS Resource Center, Tom Waddell Clinic And the Center for AIDS Prevention Studies at the University of California San Francisco.

    Copyright notice: The National HIV Prevention Conference is collaborative effort by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, a U.S. Government agency, and other governmental and non-government organizations. All abstracts published by the conference organizers are in the public domain and can be used without permission. Proper citation, however, is required.
    Well, it's interesting that the rates vary so much throughout the country -- 22% in LA to 68% in Atlanta. All are high figures, of course, but still quite a bit of variation.

    I suspect most of those in the study were streetwalkers, not higher-end escorts. All of those cities have a large percentage of TS streetwalkers.


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    I have been dating TS girls in Los Angeles in San Francisco for more than 15yrs now. Many of them have been "sex workers" especially in the begining. I have many friends, too many friends, that have passed away under the label "complications due to AIDS/HIV infection". Some of them we never knew were infected until they got very sick. With the stigma put on this disease by the government, society in general and especially the ignorant that this is the modern plague and often times people with HIV are treated like lepers, so it is no wonder people with the disease do not reveal the fact that they are infected. If you survived by selling your body for sex and you knew that if you reveal the fact that you have HIV your income would plummet perhaps so much that you would become homeless and an outcast, would you reveal this information?? That is a hard decision to make honestly. We can sit up here on our High Horse of Morals and say "of course I would reveal it" but most of us have no idea what it feels like to be transgendered and maybe even immigrant with no documentation estranged from your family and thinking that prostitution is your only way to survive, I think it becomes a psychological torture within and perhaps these individuals come to the conclusion "Fuck it! It's me or them and I have to survive so I am not gonna worry about it". Maybe that is not right but until something can be done to make services and education more accessible that is how it will continue.
    ANd for the people who patronize the "sex workers" one word of advice, many many more girls and guys have this disease than is reported in those statistics, sometimes the person who is infected is the one you would never in a million years suspect, your best freind, your brother or sister, your co worker or boss, your son or daughter, rich,poor, white, black, asian, hispanic, healthy looking people even. Some of the very young (18-23yr old) TS, some of the most gorgeous TS you will see in Los ANgeles, or in the world are infected with HIV (I know they are freinds of mine) so YOU MUST ASSUME THAT EVERYONE HAS HIV and act accordingly with that knowledge if you wish to not become infected yourself . God Bless all of you and take personal responsibility for your action and your life!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by peggygee

    Given that an estimated %33 of transwoman are engaged in sex work
    Peggy I know that was a while ago but I'm interested to know where you got that stat. Unlike some other respondents I'm surprised the figure is as high as that, at least for the States. I'm not querying you, I'm genuinely interested-- this whole area is very difficult to get good accurate hard data and confirmed stats.

    I think this is borne out by observing that the stats in the report originally quoted are 9-10 years old. I'd like to see some up-to-date stats so we can establish what the trends are but there just isn't enough research being done in this field.



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    I would like to say that IMO anyone practising unsafe sex is not only a danger to themselves but a danger to everyone around them. I also notice that recently a new Thailand-based TS website has appeared which features a lot of bareback anal sex. I really can't deplore this enough. This is about vulnerable young women in the Third World, often desperate for money, being asked--sorry coerced--to play Russian roulette with their lives so rich western men can get a thrill. It's disgusting. Human exploitation has not been eradicated, it has simply been exported.

    Let's make no mistake about this either: HIV/AIDS has not gone away and though treatment methods and life expectencies have radically improved since the disease appeared as yet THERE IS NO CURE.

    BTW MystiqueEvolution it's unacceptable that anyone should be stigmatised because of their gender. FWIW I've seen some pretty ugly things happen when AIDS and ignorance collide and you have my sympathy.





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