Kim became youngest ever transsexual at 12

[castabyss]

I wish I hadn't been circumsized. I would love those nerve endings back.............

[Andrew121]

Hi friend you would be glad to hear that in US the transgender society is growing every day! But few years ago the story wasn't same. At tat time people were looking transsexual people as a freak of nature. I hope the transgender society will see this change as a new hope for them, And sooner or later the society will understand their feelings.

[voy4her]

all the more reason to ban that barbaric practise.

You mean the one that lowers your chances of catching HIV?
Just because you've a fetish for foreskins, doesn't make circumcision barbaric, I'm sure there will be plenty of skin left around for you to chew on.
seanchai

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,285532,00.html

lets not get ahead of ourselves Seanchai. I understand you're a penile authority but maybe we shouldn't regurgitate the ProCirc PoV like its the only valid belief, eh?

[voy4her]

so i believe what a doctor has wrote and you believe a newspaper and you say im a dumbass.
whats that old saying about a pot and kettle.

I can find a doctor to say absolutely anything ... hang on ... "Honey, is passionatelover a dumbass?"
"Whose passionatelover?"
"I'll give you a kiss if you say, yes!"
"Oh in that case, yeah he's a dumbass"

Your taking the word over one doctor compared to a full medical report? Read the fucking article you imbecile.
What a fucking sad sack of shit you must be.

I give you the link, at this point the only thing you can do is apologise and say, "Yes your right, there is proof that being circumcised can lower the chances of catching HIV by up to 60% and I posted a link that was hopelessly out of date and one sided."

You like foreskins. That's cool. You detest cicumcision, that's up to you but don't twist or ignore proof and evidence, just to make yourself feel better.
People with ignorance and blindness like yours are the ones teaching creationism.
ARSE.
seanchai

actually i think youre the one coming off badly here, SC. You are quoting studies that are dubious to start with. You cant just just take 100 africans, circ half of them , set them loose and then test them 6 months later and take whatever %ages from either grp contracting or not contracting HIV and claim it had anything to do with a foreskin. IF you look at my last post, i posted an very recent study on the negative effects of circumcision. As in 2007. I suppose all these recent statistical reports about Circd guys having a higher rate of ED will slip under your radar as well.

But the point here is not really HIV or indeed any STD. Its the non-consensual removal of an ORGAN. If you actually take the time to research what the foreskin is, as i did when deciding whether or not my children should be circd, youll find out thats its actually an organ in its own right, not just a flap of useless skin-and provides, as nature intended, multiple key services.

This is not to say that things cant go wrong -balanitis, phimosis even tearing during intercourse or masturbation - but on the whole, most people never have a problem.
The AMA has not endorsed circumcision for almost 10 years. Europe never did. Now if my boys decide they want some sleek pornstar looking dick when they get older- well hell they've got a choice...and i find it unethical to remove that choice based on some asinine study that is rendered completely irrelevant by condoms anyway.
If you want to save people from HIV get them to wear rubbers, dont chop off the end of their cock..
Somewhere in the back of the minds of most guys who were circd at birth is this question of whether theyd enjoy their penis more if it was intact...and im sorry they didnt get the chance to find out.

Meanwhile keep spreading uninformed trip asbout useless flaps of skin.

[voy4her]

Here, in case following a link is too troublesome for you, ill just cut and paste a couple paragraphs.

"Circumcision is a procedure practiced in several countries for medical as well as cultural reasons. Most scientists agree that the surgery confers some protection against infection and the risk of contracting sexual diseases. Recent studies have also shown that circumcision can lower the risks of HIV infection by as much as 60 percent in sex between males and females.

But Robert Van Howe, a study team member at Michigan State University, thinks such claims are somewhat overblown. “The [health benefits] that have been consistently shown are very small, and there are less aggressive, less invasive, less expensive ways of dealing with the problems [circumcision] is supposed to address,” Van Howe told LiveScience.

Other practices, such as choosing sexual partners wisely and using condoms consistently, are far more effective in protecting against diseases, he added.

[tgirlzoe]

I am glad I was not circumcised. Whether it's tonsils, appendixes or foreskins, no part of our body is "useless" and you're not improving upon God and/or evolution's design by removing body parts as standard procedure.

The tip of my cock is moist, soft and highly sensitive. Guys I've been with who have been circumcised tend to have drier, less sensitive heads. Keeping the foreskin intact also means less chaffing during masturbation or sex.

Women will sometimes say, "I want him to look like his daddy" but that's stupid. I mean, how often will he kid see his father's foreskin? o_O I couldn't tell you if my dad was circumcised or not.

If there's nothing wrong with it, why chop it off? Natural looks better anyway.

Oh and for transsexuals pursuing genital surgery, it's that much more skin to work with!

[Chuck]

I really don't see what's the big deal.
I've been a tranny lover since my time in the womb.

[tgirlzoe]

oh, as to the original discussion, i think surgery might be a bit hasty. the standards of care say you can get testosterone blockers at any time but you have to wait until you're 16 to get estrogen and 18 to get surgery (orchiectomy or srs). of course, the standards of care are voluntary but most "first-world" countries' doctors adopt them or similar policies.

for myself, of course i had intense gender issues at age 12 and was very noticeably effeminate before that as well (much to my social detriment). for me, i would have love to been able to transition and get surgery at that young and date straight guys in high school and be pretty stealth.

the problem is that it's reverse logic. we can say that 90% of all transsexuals wanted genital surgery at age 12. however, 90% of kids who wanted genital surgery at age 12 do not grow up to be transsexuals. therein lies the problem.

i don't have much of a problem with parents who let their kids live as the opposite gender and blockers make sense as well if their frustrations are intense. blockers will allow the kids to choose the puberty they want instead of trying to reverse the effects of it later.

what you can't change are the social effects. what happens to the boy who decides that he wants to be a girl when he's 10, spends three years as a girl, and then decides that was a mistake and that he was just running away from being gay? socially, he's all screwed up. what happens when the parents embrace their child as transgendered and search until they find a doctor to prescribe estrogen for him and he develops breasts? what if they're like these parents and find a surgeon to perform genital surgery on the assumption that transsexuality is an on-off thing and that this child has the "disease" instead of seeing gender as fluid and a developmental process?
a lot of gay people struggled with gender in their childhood and then decided that it wasn't for them. that's my fear.

i have a couple internet friends (who i trust) who started transition at age 16 or before. to some degree, i am jealous because that was when i came out as trans and finally found out how to get on hormones and everything but my parents were still hoping that i was going through a "phase" and were staunchly opposed to the idea and tried to force me to be more masculine and straight (which just made me push back harder). i wasn't able to get up the nerve to walk away from my parents and start hormones until i was 19! but even if i had started at 16 or before, i'm sure high school would have been (even deeper) hell. college is so much easier to transition in. the social part is much harder than the physical part.

my $0.02.

[Yusef64240]

I was uncircumsized when i was teen skin would stretch and bleed with a good hard on then I had to get it cut off.

[Bunzee]

thats pretty young